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Episode 5 · 7 months ago

Locked In During The Baltimore City Riots

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Victoria Yassem was a manager at Michael Kors in Baltimore City. Riots broke out in April of 2015 and she had to barricade herself and others in the bathroom of the store because rioters were trying to break in. Meanwhile, her husband Eric, a Baltimore County Police Officer was home watching things unfold on the news, feeling helpless because he couldn't get down to Baltimore City.

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April of two thousand and fifteen, as most of you probably know, there were riots in bottimore and actually, as far as businesses go, I think there were more than three hundred and fifty businesses that were destroyed or damaged. At least. Property losses were, I think, close to thirteen million dollars. Now, since that time, city of bottimores reached a, I think at three and a half million dollars settlement for the businesses, which doesn't even take care of half of that. And unfortunately a lot of those businesses are already gone and not coming back. But on this episode of Lifetime Ooth we spoke with a young lady who is the manager at Michael Course, that at the inner harbor door in the riots. Her husband is a Baltimore County police officer and you're going to hear her story about how scared she was and everybody there with her as these riots were happening and people are throwing stuff at the windows of her store trying to get in there, to the point at one point one of the days, she was told by the National Guard to go go home because it was spread through, I guess, social media. I think that's how a lot of people were reacting the stuff that. Well, let's just say it's a good thing she got out of there because in a way she was targeted. But well, you'll hear the story about that. And the sad thing is her husband, being a bottom or county police officer in this havinged down to bottomore city, really couldn't do anything. His hands were more or less tied. Even though he took the lifetime oath and they took that married Ooth. They both, especially him, kind of felt helpless because he really couldn't get down there to save his wife. This is lifetime oooth. You're when he came to find a sponsor for lifetime oath, I wanted somebody that I knew cared about the veterans in the first responders, somebody that actually did a lot in the community, and I was able to find that exact person, Joe Ayler of t our heel construction group. I am happy to say they are the exclusive sponsor for lifetime ooth. Tar Heel construction group does basically anything exterior wise on your house, whether besiding, windows, roof, gutters. They take care of it all and the best thing about it is they look out for the veterans in the first responders. They're not one of these companies that say Oh, free root for your you know, if you're a veteran and all that. They that's a marketing employee. People do that because they want it. They're taking advantage of a lot of the veterans and first responders. In my eyes, Tar heel doesn't do that. Yeah, if they find out you're a veteran, they're going to take care of you. They find out you're a first responder, they're going to take care of you. But guess what, even if you're not, they're still going to take care of you. They are the two thousand and Nineteen Harford Award winner for outstanding service to the community. They are gf master elite Roofer. They have the Harford County living stamp of approval. They have won the Harvord candy living choice awards as well as the best of Harford. And when it comes to reviews, well, just look at them. Good to our heel construction GROUPCOM. Do a Google search on tar heel construction group reviews. You'll see how great people love them. good to t our heel construction GROUPCOM or give them a call at four hundred and zero three, eight seven, zero two one. Again, that's four hundred and two sixty eight seven zero two one. Also, just when the legendary views, information or opinions expressed during lifetime move are solely there's are the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of tar heel construction group or their employees. My name is rich Bennett and this is lifetime ruth. On this podcast you will hear from veterans, active military, their families, their spouses, firefighters, police officers, nurses, doctors, first responders, all these people that serve us. They served to protect us, they served to defend the constitution of the United States.

These are people that have served on wartime. They have served throughout the different cities of the United States or at the world. They have served or in peacetime. They have some incredible stories, whether sad. Some will make you man, some will make you laugh. These are the people that have taken the lifetime, like the welcome everybody, the lifetime of myself and Joe Ayler are sitting here. We have a young man on and his older wife. I just got to get you I will literally sacked like I am not against elder abuse in this station we have. We have Victoria Yaslong with us and her husband Eric. Eric is with the Baltimore County Police Department and Victoria was down in Baltimore City. We're going at Michael Core's door in the riot and we're going to talk about that a little bit, basically what it's like to be married to a police officer, because we've talked to police officers, we've talked to people in the military, but we haven't talked to any other spouses or family yet and when to find out which likes a first of all, welcome both of you. Thank God Victoria be nice to me. I don't know if that's possibility. So how long have you guys been married? So we've been married six years. We've been together for eleven. And how we met? Actually, I'm just gonna go out like you. That's right, book, like I was working at the House and mall and I was in management down there and one of the stores and Lo and behold, I get a shoplifter are my like third night there and officer Eric over here comes to save the day and then he just never went away, like he kept coming back into my store. I was like, Oh, I'm just kind of you know, here working and next thing you know we got my number and we're actually working. I was working that okay. He was a cleaner. Yeah, he's like keepling. He wasn't well, he wasn't super clate, but I was at first like okay, sure, yeah, you can keep coming back. Do something wrong, did you? Well, like, I'm not, I'm not like really scared of things like that. But he yeah, he kept coming back in and finally my boss had had enough of it and was God damn it and just wrote my number on a piece of paper and gave it to him. And Are you serious? Yeah, literally, we were in a manager's meeting and he came back to take a report from one of the other managers who had a shop of her and so therese, I'm they had a chart the time. Literally looked at me and she's like, God damn it, Vicky is, she's took a piece of paper to pain and wrote my number. Time was like here, we just fucking call her already. So hellong before you called her that night? Yeah, I don't know. I had to get the courage up to do it. Maybe the next day. Yeah, I don't know, something like that, but it's so say, would it take it be a week or serious? So, eleven years later, we have a two and a half year old, two dogs, a house, cars, all the adult things I were supposed to have when you get married. How long you been on the police force? For nineteen years. Nineteen years, so one more year to return, I could. Yeah, okay, could have been no intention. Yeah, yeah, to May bills. Med you guys stop buying stuff intor stop buying all these red rubber balls and everything. Well, I have to help you out because you keep losing yours. So what do you do for for the department? I work for the mobile crisis team right now, so we deal with people in crisis, people with mental illness. So, yeah, I suppose I've been especially doing covid. You've been extremely busy. I would think it's definitely picked up. Yeah, to the negotiations end, or you like the we have a different team, right, it does that the negotiation stof would you guys have like a moable unit that you bring in and that's like what with the negotiation team? They take care of stuff like that. Like for me, I'm paired up with a mental health clinician, so we basically go call to call right, you know, pretty much a bodyguard or and a chauffeur, I guess. But they do all the hard work, didn't that's the one thing that, I guess it's always impressed me was the guys that do to negotiation. Yeah, it's it's like you gotta know what to say because if you say the wrong thing, then it could trigger something. It's that's got I mean that that's got to be a long education for that,...

...doesn't yeah, I would imagine. So, yeah, there's a lot of training involved. Yeah, May I could you see jumpers and all that, and we never know what the rock yeah, ration is going to go in. How mean, that's that's gotta be. That's why they gotta have they got to have the protection there. Yeah, because if it doesn't end peacefully or it becomes problematic, then that's where I imagine that you guys step in and control the situation, right. Yeah, we kind of clean up at the end. There you go there. Yeah, it's that. Did you always want to be police officer? I did, I knew since I was young. So would you do right out of high school? No, I went to college, okay, and then when I graduated college, then start looking for a job and finally landed in Bottomar County. There's Barber County. have their their own academy. They do? Yeah, they do. Okay, yes, everything's done in house. Where's your kind of yet in Dune Doc? Oh, okay, down there all full of the Community College. Yeah, I forgot at about dollars point. I think a friend of mine was a instructor down there. Think I've heard there's not a lot of recruits out there to be had. It's kind of kind of thing right now. I think there's. They're working on it, though. Hopefully it'll pick up. Yeah, I think. I think it will. I think will. If not, they can call you right go out there, Alzheimer's and all have you do it, Eric, how I work a lot? How much? So I just let you all know before we start it, because now we know why Eric works a lot. And then I think he was giving him a hard time because he wants to go hunting. Okay, Freak. So let the Mary leave his stress. No, no, put those arms down, Eric's okay. So we have a t year old. I run my own business, which you didn't mention either, so that's like a whole other monster. Then all the things are on the he like. It's just it's a lot well thought. Okay, but keep in mind too, you know, with two and a half m okay, so are as Eric is doing is getting ready to teach the baby hand a hunt. No, yeah, I mean, I'm fine with that, but that's not an excuse. No good reason. No, but I mean it just kind of like like when you're married to a copy, just kind of have to deal with the schedule, unfortunately. So he supports Your Business. See, I did go there, right. He dies. Yeah, see, I remembered what you said in the last podcast, after you were picking all me and everything. Oh, what did I say? You should he supports it. He dies. Yeah, he dies. He helps me with my quick books. I threw a cop into an accountant position. It's working out great. So I tell everybody what the name of your businesses. So you don't you know? Let me. Oh my God, it's read ball consulting. We do social media management, sales training. How they get in touch with you? Good question. What's my emails? It's great, a Red Buck Scom and then our website is my bulk and a stop. See, you give me a hard time for not mentioning Your Business and then you forgot. How do you get look, I'm just saying, when you're looking at time management, when you're running a business and you're married to somebody WHO's a first responder, even military, at that point, like it's a lot, like you don't realize what you're signing up for when you first sign up for it. What is it like being married? Oh my God, it's horrible. Don't do it. I'm just kidding, because I mean are some people that will say that no, and then there's others that you support them a hundred percent, except before when they want to go on. So that's like a very loaded question. Him is a person is different than him as a police officer, and when he's at home he's able to kind of like shut off work and he can just be like a dad and husband and write. Now, all that takes a lot of work. Yeah, the only gripe really that I would have is just the schedules toff, you know. I mean, especially having a baby and his schedules constantly rotating. And then, with the way that everything is set up right now, if they're short staffed, somebody has to fill that open spot. So I mean it's just a little challenging, for sure. It's definitely put our marriage to the test, I can I can say that, but I can say because of what he does for a living, we've been able to cultivate a lot of really good relationships and there's people we should tell them a story about what happened with Jed. So.

So what had happened was we got one of his co workers to start dating my mom. Well, generally work out very well. He's a great guy. Yeah, it happened. It happened. So we started eating. My mom broke up. I was in housing at the time and I was like running really low and gas like for my car, right. So I'm like Reading Law Mower, no for my Lord of Bar and so I was like, okay, let me go to the gas station and get gass like any normal person. Well, my dumb ass whant of leaving my my wallet in my gym bag and didn't realize it till I pull up the gas mom. Well, like I literally think I have like ten miles left, like and I'm in Towson and we were living here at the time. So I was like what the fuck am I gonna do? So I start breaking out and I call him and he's nowhere near us or nowhere near near me. But he was actually able to call the guy who was dating my mom, who wasn't dating my mom at the time. But pretty much what I'm saying is like, even though didn't work out with with him and my mom, he was still there for us and he called him up and he just like hey, duds, so Vicki doesn't have any money on her and needs gas. Can you help? And so I literally want to go pick him up from his apartment. He filled my gas take up for me. But it's like having that support system, right. You don't really get that anywhere else, you know. So like weird, crazy stuff happens and they're just kind of there for you. Like our whole bridal party on his side as police, right. I don't even think my brothers in the military and we he wasn't in it because we weren't sure if he was actually going to be right available to make it, but I think they all were cops, right. Yeah, and so all of them, like as soon as we had the baby, they all came over and like it's a really great community and the cop wives section of things like I've been able to really cultivate some awesome relationships with some of them and it's like, you know, if he pisses me off, I can call them me like Oh my God, and they're like I know, and it's it makes it a lot easier to kind of go through the motions when you have a really good support system. Sounds a lot like the military, I feel like. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of people in the police apartment now who used to be in the military and I feel like they've kind of said the same thing, you know, in so many words, and with my brother, he's in the Air Force, with my sister in law, like me and her best friend. So we kind of had the same issues in the same the same things essentially happening. We just don't have to move across the country. Is really what it boils down to. True. Yeah, yeah, I mean you, well, you're balding or canny. You live in Harford County. So men's well, not a big that's not a big hall. But yeah, we're in the military cross country or even to other countries. I mean that's that's one of that is hard space when you move away from your family, you could be gone on for well, especially if your career career military, I mean you could be gone for twenty plus years. Yeah, so we're super fortunate that were able to kind of stay in one place and build a life for our kid and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, that's kind of what it's like. I mean the all of the stuff happening in the world now. Like before we got on too, before he sort of recording, we were talking about the news. Yeah, the reason I watch the news anymore is because I cannot deal with just all the negativity that's out there and I can't tell you how hard it is watching my husband go to work every day and watching my kid be like Hey, where is Daddy? Sorry, and I'm just like, Oh, Y's at work, and he's working all these like watch shifts and crazy hours. Yeah, and then people in the news are talking about how how horrible cops are and all this, and I just I can't. I can't deal with that and it's really, really hard. And he's a fucking brick wall half the time. Like this man is just solid. Yeah, he's just completely salid and I don't think I'll ever forget. This was about a year ago. What happened a year ago. There was a big like we're on police a year ago. That was wasn't that if to do it things? Yeah, I think that's what it was. Right. And so normally he comes from from work and, you know, we just keep it moving, make donner watching a flex like whatever, and he was on the couch one day and again, this man is a brick fucking wall, like there's like no emotion most of the time, and he just had his head and his hands and he was like he literally, I can remember the exact words, but just like what the fuck, like I can't fucking do this, and I was like what do you mean? And he just started going into like how disappointing was to like literally put your life on the line every single day for people who just don't care or want to talk negative about you. And I'm not saying there isn't bad cops, like there's a bad cops, there's about doctors, there's bad everything, right exactly,...

...but it was it was really hard to kind of watch that and I was like, Oh shit, yeah, what do I do, like as a spouse, what do I what? All Right, game time. What do you do? What are you supposed to do, like they don't write a book on this Shit. Yeah, so, I mean all I did was, you know, let him talk about it, because there's something else that I could do. And what she's a good thing to do. Yeah, just listen. So, for anyone who knows me, I'm a huge true crime fan. Right. So it's just kind of funny that I wanted up marrying a coplic. I started watching unsolved mysteries at like three and a half right, like. So I've always been into it. John, what's that? Guys named John? Nolet's solved mysteries. It was in that Roberts that Robert says, who's the guy who's thinking of John? was sure, whatever is, Oh that one. This is funny. Yeah, brushed up on your true crime. You'll let joke not me better remember, I don't know, to the first time you met me. No, and that was on a chamber thing. Is She just chipped right now? Me a hard time. Yeah, I think it's just something about your face. I don't know, it's just something about it. But Anyway, so I've been watching and save mysteries since I was like a little right. So, of course, my nat I wind up finding myself gravitating towards police officer by accident, and he'll come home and he'll just be I'll be like, oh, how's Day? He's like it's fine, and I'm like anything happen? No, no, really, is just, you know, as a day. Look, what fuck did I marry you? Where all these stories that I don't understand, and so I've learned, you know, over eleven years of being together, that if I ask that question and he starts talking, I just shut up. Yeah, I just let him talk about it because if he starts talking, something needs to come out. MMM. So that's one of the reasons we started this podcast too, because you have whether a lot of your first responders and people in the military don't really have somebody to talk to. Know, and I feel like, depending on what position there and if they feel the need to talk to somebody, it's seen as like a sign of weakness. Yes, and though I think it's a sign of weakness, and are correct me, if from Rome, if like if they go to a therapist or something, I think they look at that is a sign of weakness. But if you're talking to another brother, somebody else's serves, I don't think they do. They look at it that way. Well, no, I mean I think you're right. Like if you go to Arabist and sometimes you just like, I have a story of anxiety. You know, it's wild the amount of medication that they put me on. Sometimes, like everyone will start crying during like a scene in a movie and I'm just sitting there at my popcorn, like love for another coming out. Yeah, but a lot of it stems back to like my mental health and, honestly, through him and through what what he's been able to do, like I was suffering postpartum depression really bad after I had a baby and he had just started working for mobile crisis and he pretty much like cornered me and it was like, Bitch, get to therapy, like we don't have time. I mean, you didn't say that, but he was very like understanding, and a lot of the times when people are suffering through post part of anything, it's hard to understand if you haven't been through it. Yeah, so for him to kind of see the warning signs and see, like okay, my wife needs to talk to somebody, get on medication like something, I'm really grateful that he was able to kind of step in and do that. But it's because of what he does for living. Actually, are agree with that. Did you have to go to score or anything for that, because you're baling people have met the illness? Or is it just special training on the force? There's just different trainings that they send us to just to deal with, you know, crisis right. You know, we're dealing with anything from suicidals to like mass casualty. Yeah, situations and stuff like that. So there's some school. It's not a lot, but there is, right, and anytime they have the opportunity to send us to something else, they will try to do that. Or would you get recognize if there's problems? Yeah, yeah, and in working with the mental health clinician, I've learned. You learn, you learn a lot. Just write from them. So, so, Michael Cores, Oh my God, I told him that you want me to talk about this and he was like the craziest day of your life and I was like, HMM, yeah, that one, that one. All right. What do you want to know? Well, Starford, the beginning, I mean, I mean you were down there. Are What a manager there? Right, was Michael, course, in Baltimore City in the gallery. What's funny. We're talking about this because this just happened in in San Francisco with with the written house thing. They Oh, yeah, it's San Francisco. Well, they they ride it and stormed. Was it Louis Vatton or...

...some or tiffany and company or somethingably, there's I saw a video. It's not. Yeah, they were running out of the store with merchandise they had rioted. I seen that. That's something I don't understand. Why are they destroying all this stuff where they live? Provided that's people, you know, people that live there that are doing it. All is you're doing is hurting your area more more. Yeah, it just I don't get it. And then you have the cities cried at. They want money to rebuild, but the stories. Guess what, the stores aren't moving back in there and you can't blame the stores. Yes, cannibalism, it's for sure. Yeah, it's much. You're riding and ruining the stores that you're going to need to go to three days later for what. Then they burned. Was It bottomore city? Didn't? They burned the CBS damn or something. There was like a fire in the parking lot of Mondamond mall to or something crazy like that. There's it was. It was really it was wild. But you know, you have all those elder people, some older than me, vege, just you know. But seriously, they needed to get their medications and they couldn't because there was no cvus anymore. It's like when the boutique like like shops and designers and stuff, I mean those are usually the first ones and they go after because it's those are the shiny objects that they can't afford in the city right other thank you. True. What the hell, this is the chance that I can have a Michael Corps bag? You know, you know, let's roll. Yeah, you know. Well, I don't know if it's so much that as it is. Let me steal it and sell it. Like a lot of a lot of like the poverty and a lot of like shoplifting has to do with people who can't like a four thing, so they want to steal it and sell it. Okay, and I come, I stay this with ten years of retail under my belt and apparently a husband that came to help me with some of this. But a lot of the times they just steal shit. That's not like it wouldn't fit them or, you know, has nothing to do with them. As person, but they want to steal it and sell it for whatever. Did you guys know that the that the verdict was coming down or all right, buckle up, guys, it's not my stress ball, because this is a crazy story. I'll get to all of that. So, okay, when did this happen? was just before do you remember, like what day it was? April? That was in April. It's from fight, remember. So this was like April, two thousand and fourteen, I think. Yeah, so eric and I were engaged. I'm sorry. Yeah, no, that long ago. I read a meme the other day and it was like I will not accept the fact that like twenty years ago is two thousand and one, nineteen eighty eight. Thanks, I know. I even think. Dude, I'm I'm right there with you. I was born and it was two thousand and fourteen. I don't know that she might. I think so, because we got married in two thousand and fifteen. So I mean it. I guess it doesn't really matter very much, but everybody about the right yeah, everyone knows about the boss my eyes. All right, so I was a store manager of Gallery or of Michael Corsa Gallery at harbor place and it was a really great store. It was on the corner of like the mall where the Mariatta is, or was. I don't even know if it's still there. The whole entire first floor of that mall, that outside facing stores were all glass and that was kind of the ambience of it, right, like they kind of wanted it to seem high end and it was very esthetically it was very, very pretty. So the day that they were protesting in Baltimore, again, being the true crime fanatic, always watching over my back, like trying to be strategic about it, I lit all of my staff go home except for one girl who I knew didn't have a car. So I thought, if something happened, throw her ass in my car and go yeah, like, I'll just take her with me because, Oh, where the store was. A lot of my employees took the bus or they walked, or are they Ubert or whatever in it, because parking was like twenty a day. was stupid expensive and we're making like ten or twelve an hour. It's like this half of my fucking check, right. So they, you know, a lot of them didn't drive, so they were doing the protests and this was what was that light right in front of my store, is at Pratt street in something else. Anyway, right in front of my store there was a light. So it's like a fourway stop or three way stop, I can't remember. And they were a lot of people had like their signs...

...and you know they were protesting or whatever. So it was just me and my assistant manager and at Michael. Course we were not required, but it was very strongly suggested to wear high heels. Well, that day I was like Hell now I'm wearing flats in case I have to rotten for some reason, like I'm not stupid. And we weren't supposed to have our cell phones on the floor, but I told Adrian and and I had mine myself, like on on our bodies, because I was like, Lord Forbid something happen and we need to get exactly. So a really good friend of ours at the time was on Swat down in the city and I'd been communicating with him all day. Like all of a sudden, I don't remember what time it was. You must have just gotten home from work, right, so it's probably three hundred and thirty four somewhere some ear other. So I'm standing in front of one of my glass windows where the displays were. You know, I'm looking outside and as soon as there was a couple waves of protest, peaceful protest all day, and as soon as like they would get in front of my store of protest, I kicked everyone out and lock the doors, like I was trying to be very smart about this. Or we had a security guard who was like twelve and a half years old. Did really do anything. He just stood there in a black suit, like I was going to kick somebody that ass before he did, but I appreciate the thought. Thank you. So he yeah, I kicked everybody out. The security manager of the mall, because it was owned by GDP. The security manager of that Mall I had known for years because he was a security manager at Howson. He got promoted. So he they threw his ass in there. They threw like a couple other security managers from other malls into this mall because they they were trying to be proactive, just like how I was going to be proactive. So so, yeah, I'm standing at the front by the glass and I feel my phone go off and I see it was Damon. He texted me and because, mind you, we don't have like the news on. We don't know what's going on, like we're literally just in our store. So daved texted me and he was like they're at the stadium. They're coming for you a gallery, and I was like fuck. So I know this is like just even thinking about it for you. Yeah, he said they're coming for you, and I it all happened so fast. I called my district manager and the way that the store was set up, there was a thing like it was all glass, but there was a TV on a stand that was like kind of blocking the back of the register, right. So imagine your back is up against the glass at the register and there's a TV playing behind it. And so age ran. My assistant manager was bringing somebody up. I had grabbed the phone. I called my district manager because I was going to call and be like, Bitch, I'm shutting the store down, like I'm not hanging out here. Yeah, I'm on the phone with her. I look up and all the sudden I just see a bomb rush of people. I thought it was a shovel that they had, but according to the news, it was like a chair. So they come running towards the store. I start screaming shoes is on the phone. He's at home watching all this happen on my feet. He calls the store. Adrian answers the phone. Of course she doesn't know what's going on. Her back is to the wall and it all happened so fast, like I spread. I got it was in like sixty seconds and she was like like Oh hey, air cart was like that. We put the phone down and he said that it went dead and he heard me screaming shut the fucking door, shut the fucking are like screaming at the top of my lungs. My twelve and a half year old security guard shuts the door. We have two customers in the store with us, we have him and we literally we didn't know what to do. So we just rush everyone into the bathroom in the back of the wall or in the back of the store. So before that happened, the doors in the front. So it's all glass, and I keep saying that, but it's so important to try and get a visual so the entire stores glass. The doors to go into the lobby area, like in the middle we're glass. So all I see is Darren, the security manager that I know, screaming at me get in the back room. And it was just watching like if you've ever seen like the day before yesterday, like that weather movie or whatever it is, we're like the tsunami comes and just rushes, you know, water, just yeah, just imagine like the craziest wave just flying through hallways, destroying everything in its path. And it's literally what it was. It was mobs of people just like pushing through everything. Darren's yelling at me get in the fucking bathroom, getting the fucking bathroom. I'm on the phone of my district manager. I'm crying, my cell phones blowing up. I the two customers that we get stuck with don't speak English, so they're in there just like speaking super loud on their phone and I literally...

...didn't want to be a jerk, but I was like shut the fuck up, like they didn't know what was going on. They're just like what, this is normal, right. So, so Adrian called nine one, which I told her like there's no point in doing that, because it was you couldn't get through. Yeah, you couldn't get through. He's blowing out my phone. I couldn't answer because I'm on the phone with my district manager. Adrians on the phone with one and as we're in the bathroom. I just hear boom and then glass shatters and I was like, Oh my God, we're going to fucking die. Like I literally I don't know what was going on. Like, sorry, I'm like getting emotional talking about this. Bit is just so wild. So we hear the glass shatter and I didn't know what was going on. I was losing my mind. Adrian was just like she had grabbed a box cutter before we got into the bathroom and she was like ready to fight and I'm like, Bitch, I don't know what you're doing with box cutter, but like, I guess it'll work. So after after that happened, we didn't hear anything else. It just got quiet and I was like, what the Hell's going on? Yeah, after the boom, I thought I was going to hear screaming and yelling or it just got super quiet and we're sitting in there and I finally, I don't remember exactly how it happened, but I finally, I think I answered your call, right or Damon was texting me. Yeah, I answered somebody's call and and we wind up coming out of the bathroom and it was just like the most wild feeling well. Come to find out, there was a double pean window in that store, so they didn't break through the second pains. They never actually got in. That's good, thank God. Yeah, but, like we didn't know that. We were in the bathroom. Like I literally thought like I was gonna I literally thought I was going to fucking die. Yeah, and this isn't the craziest part of the story that it's a wild so, so everything goes back to normal after that. Like all the people want to leave them all. You know, all the stuff you see on the news about like the kids with the sold all the people are trying to bust a are already gone. Yep, they're all gone. I mean, this is like a Nati wave. It literally was. It was. It was wild and take anything. They couldn't because they couldn't get into my store. So I didn't know that the double pain was first of all, I know there was a double pain there, because why would I know that? Like they just they didn't get through. Excuse me. Um. So I don't remember how because we were in the bathroom lockdown still, but somehow I think Darren, the security manager, wound up getting back to us or somebody poked their heads out or it was like something like that, and I was just a fucking mess. I was hysterically crying and he was just like are you okay, and I'm like no, I'm not okay, like I just thought I was gonna die. And of course Adrian, my assistant, was she's just a bad bitch. She was like I was ready fight and I'm over here like I have bess, and so we let the customers go. I Lord knows what happened to them. Our twelve year old security guard never came back to the store after that and I went to the security office because nothing else was going to happen that day. Like the fuck are you going to can can't go back to work out that. So I go and sit in the Security Office with Adrian and we called Eric because I was like I want to go, I need to go home, and I had fop plays on my car. So working with kids, because a lot of my employees were younger. I want to say it was one of the older people that was working there and I was twenty nine right. So everyone else is on social media watching like all the feeds and whatever. They were saying things to me that made me very uneasy about taking my car with fop play it's home. So he he had to come get us and I just remember sitting in the security office and I was like watching the cameras. People are like walking their dogs, like just going back about normal life, and I was like what is that? What did this happen? Am I dream well, yeah, I was gonna say, like your dreaming or yeah, because I'm literally thinking it's going to be like borderline, like the purge and people are just going to keep getting hitting, right smacked. No, it was so fucking weird. So he we both had fop plates on our cars at the time. So he called a friend to his and, needless to say, grab their shit, gotten a truck that didn't have f a peplates and came down to the city. And it took him. How long did he get down there? Like two hours, from like owings mills, because we're living in knowing smells the time, to because of the just yet all. I mean it was just a lot. It was all just gridlocked because they had shut down roads and like eighty three coming in they had been shut down. Yeah,...

...so we're trying to figure out back. We ended up trying to find back ways to get into the to the city. It's like the major highways. I mean when, because you're trying to call her, but she's all the different manager. But he's like watching. It happened right. Yeah, yeah, I got home and turn the TV on and I'm watching, you know, people protest there at Ripkin stadium or cannon arts, and just watching it, see what's going on. It's starting escalate, escalate and escalating. The things start going, you know, out of control. So I'm watching it, you know, the helicopters flying overhead with the news feed and and I'm like just, you know, glued to it. While of a sudden, like I see this just this hundreds, group of hundreds running, just running, and they're staying with them on on camera. And all of a sudden I see the mall where she writes at and I'm like, Oh my God, you know what's going to happen. And then I'm sitting, I'm literally watching them pick up chairs, metal shares from outside and smash the glass to the store that, you know, I know she's in. So I didn't I also didn't know that there was that second painted glass right. I saw the window get broken then I saw people trying to get in through that broken window. So I'm calling you know, I'm you know, you guys, just to rack you see, you guys, buddies that are on Baldomin. least the only fan was the one who is seeing me. So I'm just super fortunate that we had Damon, because if I didn't have that heads up, like you know, it could have been worse. It could have left. The doors are but you know, like a million different things could have happened. Yeah, I think he bought some time. I got you, you know, at least thirty seconds, which doesn't sound like a lot, but in a situation like that. Yeah, but you ever go back to the how long was it till you went back to work? Oh, just wait, we'll get there. But wait, there's more. So, you know, he came down, picked me an Adriane up. We took Adrian home like literally the whole night I was sitting on the couch. I couldn't stop shaking, like my adrenaline was just through the fucking through. Yeah, and he was just pissed, like so pissed. Well, in retail fashion, because this is how it works, somebody has to go open the store, the next day I got a call from somebody, one of one of the I think it was like one of the other managers or something, and she was like do you want me to go to your store, and I was like it's fine, I'll do it. I was so afraid that they were going to have Adrian go back and I was like I would rather subject myself to going back there than having her do it because, well, it's my like I'm the leader, you know. Yeah, so I wound up. He had to take me back to work. I had to get my car anyway, and the next day was a Sunday, so it was short. But so he takes me back and I'm still just like a fucking wreck. Look, I think I shook all night like. I don't think she sleep at all. I don't. I remember like falling asleep at some point, but I was just sitting there like this, like I couldn't stop shaking. I I'm like cutting it and worked up again. Just talked about it like it's just it's it was wild. So so yeah, he takes me back the next day and the glass was still shattered. Nobody had come to fix it yet. But it was a really great photo op place for everybody in Baltimore City. So do you know how many people we had like coming into the store that day like, Oh, is this the store that got hit on the news and Blah, blah, and I was like hm, okay, thank you, thank you for coming into my store just to just delet that look at it. There was people coming on outside of it and then finally they had somebody come board the glass up or whatever. But this isn't the end of the story, which is a wild so so I work my shift, you know, do the best I can whatever. The next day is Monday, which in the retail world is a very big day. Is like the first start to your week after the weekend. You kind of have too conference calls and like all the things. Right. So Monday was the day that the car was on fire. I believe right. It's not right. It was Monday or Tuesday. I'm pretty sure it was Monday. So I had shit. What happened? It was things started going crazy on Monday and we went up shutting the store down early and then I got home and I remember watching the news in like that car was on fire and the city he was burning in. All that stuff. I'm like ninety nine percent...

...shirts on Monday. I might be eating my days confused. But so we go back to work on Tuesday. Sorry, I'm like getting over a cold and the talking a lot of it's not so yeah, so added that part help, but the this the next day we go back after they lit the car on fire and started looting Mondamin and all that stuff, I'm in there working and the he was he was like a higher up. He wasn't like the chief of police in the city, but he was. He was like a boss, like he was something on my brist title. He comes in and because Monday had been attributed to a lot of social media threats, that actually came to fruition, he came into my store and he goes, he goes. There's a lot of threats on Michael Court, or look towards Michael Corps on cut. Damn it, there's a lot of threats being made towards Michael Cores on social media. We recommend that you shot down. I like, there's because it's a high end store. Well, it's literally the only high end store that was in the city. Like they didn't have time. They have tiphanis it humble of my stuff? That was on Towson. So he comes in my store, tells me this and I'm like okay, so I call my district manager. She was like yeah, just go home whatever. It was like the next year of the day after when the National Guard came down there, and I can't even tell you how wild it was seeing around my store National Guard men, the people in military yeah, or people in military is what everything. Yeah, literally lined up like toy soldiers around my store, like it was just like it was like if you were to take all your little green military men and just like wine them up in a perfect I like one of those countries where it's yeah, it was wild. The news all the time from other countries it was. It was wild. So, so that happened at some point. What we were down there, they kept making threats to my store. They were going to bomb the store. They're going to kill the white people. I had obviously African American staff. They told me, you know, you need to be careful going home. They're targeting blond white feel like the most outrageous shit you could come up with. Like they I heard these rumors and because of what happened with like the car, get like getting set on fire, and I keep reverting back to that, but it was that whole day happened because like threats were being made on social media and then actually happen, and so you're just like, okay, what's Real, what's not? Really what's going to happen? And so it one point we were shutting down early every day and my DM is like fuck this, go home, like stay home for the next like five days or whatever. So so that's what we did. Yeah, they finally came in the glass. I was like two weeks later, I think or something. So I took that as a sign from God to get my ass out of retail and I did. So that's kind of happen wild right, holy yeah, all right, with the national guardsmen there, I mean for people even going into the store, they were, they were, they were. Yeah, okay, yeah, either Michael Cores Y. Yeah, they were in that same all as like Victoria's secret and forever twenty one or whatever, but but no, they were. I mean it was it was just a very intense time and I'd all I can say is I'm glad that I'm alive after all of that, because maybe you saw still tall to what's her name Adrian. Yeah, so we kept in touch for a long time. She's one of those people that if I texted her now and said like hey girl, what's up, she hey girl, what's up, like it's you know, we just kind of went our separate ways. But I honestly, it's cheesy as it sounds, and I said this to Eric before, it doesn't matter what happens, because of what happened that day, we will always be connected, like we will never not have some kind of like, I meanbe she's still working there. When you left her, she was. She got out of retail. Okay, like six months later, I think. Um, so it was, you know, we both got out. She's an absolute doll baby, like little bit Wasna Damon, Damon. Yeah, so he is. He's still a cop. I think he was military police and you bottom er city. So the funny thing was is him and his wife actually lived in the same apartment complex. We did, like three floors up. So coming to find out, you know, there's a COP living three floors up, we're like, Oh yeah, let's be best friends. So it was awesome because you like, they come out of my house,...

...get drunk and just walk upstairs. It was the best setup ever, but I think we haven't really heard much from him. I think he's still in the city right. Thanks. Oh yeah, wow, big fucking dude. I remember the first time I ever saw him. It was at the gym. Big fucking dude like you do not want to mess with him. His back was like a mack truck, like huge. I think courve it's kind of calmed that civil and rust down a little bit, because I know. I mean obviously the inception was Rodney King, right, you know, and then we had the one in Jefferson city. Damn, Michael something, Michael Brown was, yes, I'm like. Then the one in Brooklyn, right, yeah, which one was that? I don't remember. Were selling cigarettes and they put in it. Remember that Guy's name? I don't disrespect but yeah, that it was in or he was selling cigarettes and they they kneeled on him. And then Freddy Gray, and then and then, and then the one that we just spoke of, George Food, yeah, George Floyd, and then, you know, and then now this was that? The same one, the written house one. Now, the thing with written house. This is what gets me, because they're called. What do you say? He's a white supremacist and racist. Didn't he shoot two white people? M certainly a minute, but that was just an outside nothing happened in that said, it was. It was the were riots in Kenosha. There were just the riots. Yeah, that's where the incident didn't happen, but that's not that was stemming from the George Floyd incident. I think there was something with some I get to I don't know. Here's the thing, though. All these cases, all the all these people had criminal records. That's what gets me. It's like and they want to make the martyrs. Why? It's nowadays, and are correct me if I'm wrong. Nowadays criminals have more rights, and that's just total bullshit. When I say it takes it takes years to establish a reputation. You know, the police have protected this country for for decades and decades, but it only takes a few isolated incidents. It takes a long time to build up a reputation. It takes a short time to tear it down right, you know. And then I think you've you sprinkle and like the hypercommunication, the ability to like spread messages across social media and the Internet very quickly. And Yeah, and I think the diversity and capitalism and all that. I think it's just a perfect, kind of perfect storm. But unfortunately, the people who are are the victims here are, you know, are a lot of the police that are just the police, and and your your I don't want to say everyday normal citizens, but people that you know, respect the law and yeah, you're normal people. I don't want to say normal people. That doesn't sound right because you don't talk me, not normal people. You know what I'm saying. It's like it. First of all, thank you are because it's if we talked about this with George. Guys are serving the military, especially during wartime. You're at war when you're over there. Please put people in a police department. Are At war all the time, and the one thing is they should not be at war with media and these politicians at for some reason want to the fundament all which is total bullshit. Again, well, like you said, someone said it earlier, there's a lot of shitty people in this world. There's a lot of good people in this world. Yeah, medical malpractice has been happening for years. There's Shitty doctors out there doing shitty things to people now, but you don't see people you know tearing down the you know, the healthcare system, right, walking into medical office facilities and fucking killing people, you know, and and the healthcare system is is a you know, but is a benevolent society meant to do good things and take care of us. Right. And same, same, same way the you know, first responders and police officers supposed to do. But yeah, I don't think there is any any formula why this is happening. I think it's just kind of like I just a just a perfect story. Tell you what the formula is. Get rid of the damn seven news channels, seriously, because you think about it, back in the day, and Joe, you're probably too younger remember. You're all probably too younger remember this, but you know, TV went off at twelve o'clock. You had snow going across. This is before cable, cable came out. Then later on you had seven news channels. That's when things started going downhill because just more negativity was being pushed out there.

You know, people were seeing stuff that they never saw before. Prime example, you look at Vietnam. I think Vietnam was the first war where they allowed reporters in and the Vietnam veterans are the ones that are shit on the most, even to the point where, allow your World War Two veterans would not talk to Vietnam vetteran. Yeah, it's it's it really sucks when it all that was because you know, it was being broadcast on your TV, and I that's where you're labeled as baby killers. In all that. You know, but I think that's the biggest problem. Social Media and the news outlets, not all news outlets, there are some out there that it's just they're pushing all this negative shit and they want people to start shit. That's what gets me. It's like somebody's behind it, we don't know who it's. ME. Sorry, it's when they televise this stuff like these, these horrible situations. You know you're catching people, you know, in vulnerable situations, when you're fucking backs against a wall and you're in a corner and you're scared for your fucking life. You know a lot of people make shitty decisions. Yeah, you know, and you're you know, it's it really it's a really tough situation. But to speak to vickies point earlier about coming home and that this is absolutely no comparison, but I think it is a talent to be able to compartmentalize and shut and turn it off when you walk in the House. That's something I think that I've gotten good at over the years. And from a business standpoint, yeah, you know all the bullshit that we deal with as business owners, you know, unhappy customers, problems, you know, whatever is, problems in your business and stuff like that. And and I really that spoke to me. Sometimes I'll come home and I'll want to talk right you know, about something and sometimes, you my kids will be running around or my wife will be doing dinner, whatever it is, and she won't have the time to stop and listen to me. Now I'm like man, you know, but then when you come home and you do want to kind of get something off your plate, it is nice and therapeutic for someone to listen. But I've slept a lot better over the last couple of years being able to come home and just just turn a switch and just I'll deal with it all Monday. It's hard, but I'm sure having like less Internet me but then it's hard, but it is. It is. But some things that I've worked on over two years, you know, is trying to you know, drink more water, eat better, exercise, you know, be more in the moment with my kids, just actively proactive, you know, trying to work on when you know myself, my mental health and stuff like that. But yeah, that it is a talent to be able to turn that off too, especially when you're in a very high stress, you know, not even being a police officer, but being a police officer immobile crisis. Yeah, remember, that's like, that's like double. Yeah, you know, you know what's going to happen is we're going to leave here and I'll be like seet. They said I'm stressed, you should let me go hunt whenever. Yeah, that's exactly what's going to second but oh no, nope. Well, look, we know you go through a lot of stress to Oh, women, you got your shoss relief. Then you guys have to supportive to your dress, balls in your hand. I see, I kickbox. I kick box to actually get to hit things. Okay, let me. I asked this. I like to ask this question to the show. If a young person approached you and and asked or said, Hey, I want to become a police officer, what would you say? So that's a good one. If you'd ask me five, six years ago might answer would be different or be easier. Yes, to answer it's it's still a good job. I love my job. I love helping people. It's hard to deal with a lot of times, like the the news media, social media, all that stuff like that. But you know, if it's, you know, a calling you have, I would encourage them to do it. He's like, I want to retire stuon. So please got somebody side up to do this. Yeah, I think definitely. Do you do it now? You have to have a thicker skin. It's definitely it's different than when I started, which is I think you're seeing more more people from the military, even though it please for you are already did. But I think you got to see more people from the military going in as well, although I do know, like my friends, saw his fee, I'd say, just finished academy for Bartomer County Police, okay,...

...and she loves it so far, you know, and I talked to her Halloween and I answer said, you really look what your do shoes. Yeah, she's Missr with all that's yeah, fortune, but you know, but it's in her mind that she can do better. You know, she she wants to, like you know, the oath for the police to protect and serve and that's what she wants to do and that's that's her mindset. And Yeah, I think it's a unfortunately, you know, if my son came to me and said that he was in, it would have to like like you said, it would have to be an absolute passion, obsession, and I would just look at my son and say, especially with the with the maturity of the Internet and all the opportunities, I mean, there's so many other opportunities, like if it's not an absolute passion or calling, you know, yeah, I mean I'm just speaking candidly. You know, I'm just being trans you know, you're right and and I know if my son they asked me, first thing I would tell me to do talk to people that are on the police force, people that have been there, you know, and because I know like with my well, with George, George said no, my cousin who is with he's retired now but was a bottomore polete bottomore city police department, he probably say, you know, yeah, even though it's bad them there, they still need the help and you got the mind. So if you had the thinking to do it, do it. There's but save the military to yeah, there are some people that are cut out for it or some people that aren't. I guess my question is to you, Vickie. I mean there's somebody came to you because you're married to a police officer and they said, Yo, my husband is thinking about or my wife is singing about joining the police force. How is it being a spouse of one? What would you tell invest in a lot of wine. It's so here's the crazy thing is. So there's a lot of really good aspects to him and what he does for living. Right. So during Covid we had job security. I was in a position where I actually was working full time at the time and I was essential. So we, you know, our household literally did not change. We were super fortunate. He gets a lot of really good benefits. He goes anywhere in uniform, he usually gets free starbucks. So there's that too. I can't tell you how many times when I worked in the mall, he would be like he would work their part times sometimes or whatever, like just an off to the officer in uniform, you know whatever, and we he would come get me on my break. We walk up to starbucks, the girl be like, Oh, here office there. Here's your starbucks years least six, twenty five. Okay, thanks. I look at him. You like you got this, like that's not fair. You get free starbucks. And the other day he came home and he goes, guess what I got today, and I was like what? He goes, I got a discount of mission barbecue. Oh Oh, that must be nice, you know. So not just like the fun perks like that, but you know, there is a level of pride that you have when you're doing a job like this and a level of self worth that you have to you know, like he does have his tough days, but he also does get his fulfillment. And so one of the things, and thank God for friends, right, like the friends that you make your family, essentially, because there's been times where, like I would be like I don't understand, like I want to grow this business and I want to do all of these things and I want to better myself, and like he's fine being a cop, but I'm just like what, that's a thing. You can just be okay with this. And so, after talking to a friend of mine, she was like he gets his fulfillment doing what he does, and I was like that's a thing like you. You can do that, and so kind of like actually looking and taking a step back like he does. He's really good at what he does. I mean he's gotten numerous compliments through. They're not customers. What are they? Like citizens, I guess, people who have been going through things and they've sent like cookies to his presct at one point, you know, like. So he's he's very good with the public and he's very diplomatic and he's very levelheaded. So he is a perfect candidate for a job like this. Now, if you have someone like me, you don't want to give them a gun because the Lord knows that will be a life ensure liability right there. So I think it all depends. And if someone asked me, you know, if you're the spouse of an offstar first responder, like it's it's tough, but at the end of the day it's I think it's worth it. Yeah, for sure, you learn a lot about yourself, you learn a lot about human beings in...

...general and you learn that the fucking Barista at starbucks like your husband. So there's that. But I mean it is, you know, to protect and serve. I mean it's a it's a public service that, you know, is absolutely, I believe, to be you know, it's needed, you know, and so many public service positions are just often just underappreciate it. A lot of the arms and their spouse. Yeah, I because if it wasn't for you, and I have to give you credit, and all their spouses and families for supporting the ones that were to blue, because that's that help. I'm sure that helps you a lot. I mean, you have to have a strong support system behind you. So thank you for that too. I wish I had a challenge coin for you, but I do. I don't know, it's hard. It's stuff because, I mean, I'm thinking about the industry that I'm in, you know, and there's a lot of shitty construction contractors. Yeah, there, you know, but you just gotta, I guess you just got up, just put your blinders on and just, you know, just be good and just do it your way, you know, and treat people the right way and then just set an example. And you know, you know, the part of me just wants to kind of just look for a solution to the issue with the police these days and it's just something that is probably up to father time to fail cover and happen. It'll come around some of these places where they know they wanted to defund the police. They're already seeing what a mistake it is. Yeah, I mean have a was it New York City or one of them where they all walked out, you know, and you just you need them. You need it's like saying, Hey, it's like having a country of new military. Really, who's going to protect us? Well, over the last two hundred whatever, two hundred fifty years, you know, the the United States has become such a large machine, m that it's so expansive and complex and to change anything takes a long time. You see Ya, you see it in government, you see it in society. You know it's just going to take some time them. But I think it all starts with kindness and empathy and you know all those kind of cheesy kind of sticking you know the greats that you know. You hear that, Ye, kindness, HMM, that means kindness, being kind and letting air go honey. But I tell you, I did have an oper I did have an opportunity, dumb through the Harvard Leadership Academy, to experience the simulator. They've got a simulator in the southern precinct where, you know, you're given, you know, a replica, you know, well, the clock for whatever you got, whatever the clock forward or whatever it is, and it's got a see, a two cartridge on it. So when you fired, it feels like you're firing a real gun. And they it's like this, you know, simulator, and it's like, you know, the Sagreen's like somebody's arguing over here and somebody's ever here and they're trying to hold him back and he starts charging Adam and you're like, what do you do? Yeah, you know, are you as you're shocking to be accurate, do you fire? You know. So it's quite a it was nerve racking. I want to take that. I want to go through it. It was, it was, it was, it was what you signed. That's through to college, right, you sign up through the college. No, no, I well, that Harvard Leadership Academies, through the College. But the simulator, I think they acquired it through drug seizure money. But no, but I mean that's part of the acade. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, but that made me appreciate some of those split second decisions that a lot of these should do. That too, you don't want that the leadership academy because you don't want to put her in simulate. But if you do it, make sure I'm not in the same colos. Yeah, so I don't even know. Like we went shooting one time. My Dad's got seventy eight cores in southern Maryland, right, so it was like in the middle of nowhere, you know, plenty of places to hide a dead body, all of the things, right. So he literally set that to him, I think when he asked if he would marry me, right or no? He said she's your problem now. Yeah, yeah, she meant that. Yeah, jokes on. Yes, it's sucker. No, I'm serious. Good luck. So we went out there and he was trying to teach me how to shoot and he, you know, he hunts, obviously, so he's got all kinds of guns and whatever, and so he comes out, or he makes us makeshift target and he gives...

...me the gun and he's telling me to shoot. And I shot when I was younger. Like my dad taught us gun safety at a very young age and I'm very grateful for that and we're going to do the same with our kid. Like it's the curiosity I feel like that kills these kids most of the time. Like they need to know what it does. How did do it? I'm not. I'm honestly not surprised. And so the anyway, he hands me the gun and I shoot it and it's like peep you, and then I and then the gun like kick kicks back, and so like I'm scared at that, like not scared, but like it has been like ten or fifteen years since I've shot anything, and so my hand keeps like jerking a little bit right, so I'm not hitting the target exactly where I'm supposed to hit the target. Yeah, well, I pep a couple more times and then he's like getting frustrated with me and he literally looks me dead in the face and goes, Vickie, I don't know how to fix you, and I was like here's the gun. I marched my took us back up to the house. My Dad was making lunch. Fusks were visiting my dad, obviously, and I sat down and my dad looked to me to goes what happened. I was like he said he didn't know how to fix me. My Dad just looked at me and he was like Uh Huh, yeah, good times. So it was that the last how you shot a going? Yep, really, Yep. So here's the thing. Those everyone tells me, don't let your husband teach you how to do this, and I'm starting to think that they're right. Check out girls with guns an so I want to do? I want to do like shooting classes, like I know, I think it's like a statistic, right, like girls have better aim than guys most time, and I'm looking at look, I want to see this expression. I hate all of you, but like, I'm not opposed to it. I just honestly have not had the time to even think about it between work and baby and like trying to keep my shit together, like it's just one crazy the one I just mentioned. The girls have gone. So she's she's a former police officer, maybe bottom, but I think she'll even don't even come to your home. HMM, because what they did, they don't use the real gun. It's almost like a guess air soft skuy thing, because you have to have certain amount of hours, I think. But another woman teaching you might be easier. Yeah, I'm a lot less stressful on Eric. Why is it stressful on him, like it was stressful on me because he's counting. Really met you three times. I know how you wore. I'm already feeling the stress, I know he does. My God, yeah, it was a it was an experience for sure. I mean, I'm not opposed to it, like I just I literally have the time. Maybe you could go with them. No, I will not kill an animal. I ran over a squirrel. No, I ran over a squirrel one time and I cried. I was like, there's no, I don't want to see that. Animals, but you eat them well, like I eat chicken. That's you said earlier before we started you would cook the deer. Just because I cook it doesn't mean I'm going to eat it. I've had an ass try what they call that's what he's for. If he's eating, he's gotta try it, not me. He's my sister. Look, all I'm saying is I don't want to kill something like. I've grew up with like big dogs my entire life and in my brain, dear equate to dogs. I don't ask me why, but they're like they're just so cute and like fine, and that's meat. I overhead dog me really seriously. Yeah, in Japan, who can know you I didn't know. I didn't know it was dog at the time. Seriously serious. Yeah, I went to a restaurant and you went all the way to the Japan to get dog meeting. No, they're not sit over there. No, I was. I ordered Spaghetti with meat sauce and it was good. They dog ass and she said how is it? I said it's awesome, it's good, good chicken. Oh, that doll. I said what she could that dog. I said you say dog. She goes yeah, and I'm just sitting like wow, hmm. So I finished eating it because you got to make a happy plate and they don't order another plate for did they tell you what kind of dog? I'm sure there's a big dog, prized street dog that was running in the back alley or something. My Gon, it was good. It is very good. I've had you gotta try different stuff. Yeah, that Rattlesnake, the pupper, fish, eel, see weed. You know what a good stuff. Have you eaten cat? Not that I know. All I've had GRUB and worms and stuff like that, but no, I don't think that cat all right. So I got one last question I get out of you. Got You got one more year. You gonna you you're gonna explore other career opportunities? Are you going to hang on?...

You mean stay in the same right, probably I'll stay in the same place. I can retire next year, but I probably won't do yours. Yeah, there's probably again, another seven, eight years probably before I can really explore that. If he retired, that'd be the end of our marriage at this point. Like I don't know what it would be like to have him home and it consistent time. But twenty years and you can collect your pension. Yes, yeah, full pension or yeah, yeah, full. Really, he got on. Could retire next year if you wanted to. Yes, I could. They don't do it's twenty five now, right. Yeah, they changed it. Yeah, and then you could do read Red Ball, continuing a consultants full time. It's pretty new for the whole time. Yeah, see, so he would be working. You can got out. I know how you'd be what. Yeah, about your boss though, but yeah, did. I don't think I've told you this. We were in Florida one time and we were driving around with an uber driver, right, and Nice as suber driver ever. We got the car. He looks some years when I retire I want to be an uber driver. I was like, hell you are. You're not gonna be an uber driver. Just make Uber eats. Hell, no, Budd all right, guys, thank you for listening to lifetime oath. On behalf of Victoria, Eric and rich Bennett, I'm Joe Aler. This has been lifetime oth thanks for listening. Guys. If you have any interest of being a guest on lifetime move just email me at rich Bennett. It's our H Bee and and Ett at Dan bencom. Dan Been Is Delta Alpha, November, Bravo, ECHO novembercom and yeah, we'll be sure to say let me get you on. This is a monthly podcast where we are looking for a people that are either active military veterans, first responders, doctors, nurses, family members of spouses. Everybody's got a story and we want to hear about it. So please, please, please, please. I can't ask you enough. Get in touch with me. We'll go ahead and get it scheduled. Doesn't matter whether you're here in the states or in another country. We have the ability to set it up to where we can still record. So again, just email me, rich Bennett at Dan bencom.

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