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Lifetime Oath
Lifetime Oath

Episode 1 · 3 weeks ago

Happy 246th Birthday Marines

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

What happens when you have 4 Marines sit down to talk about the time they served? Oh, and for the Marine Corps Birthday? The discussion is interesting and unfiltered.

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So I wanted to do something special forthe official first episode of Lifetime Oath. I got the thinking like okaywould I do I mean the whole idea was the launching on veteran's Day, but you when you're a marine, and you havea bunch of friends that or marines. Why not get em together? Do A piecest and launch it on the Marine courtbirthday the day before Veterans Day makes sense to me. So that's what wedid now bare warning. This is unfiltered and when you have a tablefulof jar heads God only knows what's going to happen and that's what you're going to hear onthis episode of Lifetime Mouth, I gave the reins of Joe Ailer of targoconstruction group. He hosted this. I sat in as well as three other friendsof mine that are Marines and well. Two has some good questions for us, and wetalked about the two hundred and forty six marie core birthday toys for tots,a few other things. I think you're really going to love this your when he came to find a sponsor forlifetime oath. I wanted somebody that I knew cared about the veterans in thefirst responders, somebody that actually did a lot in the community, and I was able to find that exactperson, Joe Aler of Tar Hill Construction Group. I am happy to saythey are the exclusive sponsor for lifetime oath tarhe construction groupdoes basically anything exterior wise on your house, whether I be sidingwindows, roof gutters. They take care of it all and the best thing about it is theylook out for the veterans and the first responders they're, not one of thesecompanies that say: Oh free roof were your. You know, if you're a veteran andall that they that's a market, employee people do that because they want itthey're, taking advantage of a lot of the veterans of first responders in myeyes, Tare doesn't do that you if they findout you're a veteran they're going to take care of you. They find out you'rea first responder they're, going to take care of you, but guess what? Even?If you're, not they're, still going to take care of you? They are the twothousand, a D Nineteen Harford Award winner for outstanding service to thecommunity. They are a GA F master elite Roofer. They have the Harfar candyliving stamp of approval. They have won the Harford Candy Living Choice Awards,as well as the best of Harford and when it comes to reviews. Well, just look athim: go it or he'll construction grupo. Do a Google search on Tar hillconstruction group reviews you'll see how great people love them, go Tataraconstruction group Com or give them a call at four one: Zero. Six, three,eight seven zero! Two one again, it's four one: Zero six, try eight sevenzero, two one, also just when the Legenie views, information or opinionsexpressed during lifetime. Mouth are sole ethers of the individualsinvolved and do not necessarily represent those of Tor hillconstruction group or their employees. My name is rich Bennett, and this islifetime. Ruth on this buck, his you will hear from veterans active military,their families, their spouses, firefighters, police officers, nurses,doctors, first respires. All these people that serve us theyserve to protect us. They serve to defend the constitution of the UnitedStates. These are people then, and served in war time. They have servedthroughout different cities of the United Statesor at the world. They have served our peace time. They have some incrediblestories. Whether sad some will make him man. Some will makeyou let these are. The people have taken the lifetime. I'm sitting here with four Marines JarHeads Devil Dog, I'm a civilian, so I just want to get that. Get that get that out of theway. First, I'm just moderating- and just and just humble to be here withthese guys, so I'm with Craig reeling, I'm with Mark Setin sky and with richBennett, and I with George Wood and all all marines- and maybe we can start bymaybe going around and and maybe identifying when you guysserved and thought you're going to ask us for name rank an serial overforbidden there. But I mean I guess we...

...can go around and what was everybody inParis island? When did you? When did you serve and what what is it a battalion or or what yeah adifferent? What what group you were in, maybe we can go start o great star. Icrag my name's Craig reeling, and so I wentto parasyte for boot camp. I joined the Marine Corps. I S A little older. I wastermed twenty three and bootcamp in one thousand nine hundred and ninety threeI served through two thousand and one my full a year. Commitment ended upbeing over in May of two thousand and one so I'm kind of just what I call itin between marine. You know there weren't any major fighting going onwhen I was in. Nobody want to fight me so like that so yeah. So I served for eight years andfor on active duty. I was a combet engineer, O th, so thretened andseventy one. I tell people it's built stuff and blow stuff up, had a lot offun, doing that and then, as a reservist, actually served at six modeof Transport Battalion up in Red Bank New Jersey, which is now, I believe,the twenty Fifth Mlb, which is Marine Logistic Battalion. So but yeah they still do a lot of thesame work up there and red bank had a lot of fun, I'm originally from NewJersey. I've now lived here in Maryland, working full time and Aberdeen provingaround and part of that whole brack move. Eleven years ago, I'm a member ofthe Marine Corps League extremely active in the marine core league, bothhere at the local level. We have one detachment here in Harvard County: theCorporal Pede Arnold Detachment and I'm active at the state level and at thenational level. So the Marine Corle keeps me busy, I'm also the coordinatorfor the local toys for tops program here in the county. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH! My story been inthe you know, so I've been a marine since one thousand nine hundred andninety three and I've been in the Marine Corps league since I was adrilling reservist join one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight. So it'slike twenty three years I've been in the marine core. The jersel detachmentwas in night back one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight. I gotchartered in two thousand and five okay, so I started out in New Jersey. I amcurrently a member of the marine core league is different than like theAmerican Legion of row only because you're allowed to be a member ofmultiple groups. So I'm a member of five detachments wow I've been thecommodant of four of those five. I matter of fact just joined a detachmentin North Carolina, the Shonnie detachment, because I spent so muchtime at Fort Bragg for work. I decided to join their local RIN colly because Iwas Dono realize you're traveling, so much yeah yeah, an you and George justneed to love that yeah as use mate. All right love. It em up mark what yougot had to go into the delay. What do theycall it? The delay, entry Pontry from Yeira maintenance as job, and I waitwake eleven months before I could go to boot camp to be in that and Molesse amampner of ninety two. I think I sed up to be a plan January or Metis, Boo,camping, parasol, nonon. Ninety two and I was an air winger and I guesseverybody- here's probably a grunt or no three, something or the other, andhere I'm a damn. Rising aircraft maintenance go I just itreally. Did I fit my fancy working on airplanes?You know, I just thought it was a pretty exotic thing and glad I did itand I got discharged honorably march of ninety. Seven and kind of like Craig here went for afederal job because you can buy back that my, but I did for years, an R atpost office, downtown Bomor and bought back my military time and it countstowards your retirement yeah. Well, MR, how were you when you went toBocamad Swiss the Olingen to boot camp miss my birthday thanksgiving Christmaswent to Brincosl, we all just sat in a...

...squatter and we didn't get cake and thesquad bay in the squad. They didn't get any Kape ut saying the song, but yeah I'm one of the youngest here.I suppose, but you know me o wait a minute, so you don't get evennow you don't get birthday cake for November tenth, just November Eleventh, I've Been Holin for K every November.Ten, I still haven't, got one all right, richet them up. When you got, I ain't,nothing man, I actually quit high school. My senior year in May took thetest for the Navy, and at that time I was seventeen, so your parents wouldhave to Cosin, not cousin sign for you to go into the military, and my dad was all for it, because mydad was a was getting rise. Squid he was in thenavy. He was a seal at the time they were called frog men. So when I went up to get the papers abuddy of mine took me up, I was just soon happened to be in the Marine Corpsand we got the recruitment office said Wame. I want to introduce you tosomebody and that's. When I met Gunny Jones came home with papers and joineda marine core, my father went off Roshus to sign, so I turned eighteen June nineteenth June twenty first. Iwas on my way to Paris, island and no year, one thousand nine hundred andeighty one. So while my class was at high school graduating, I was you knowon my way now it's either it's either Paris, island or say the andle or penal.Is it not San Diego? I went to Pendleton after parasol, for I butParas Island and Pendleton are the same other that no no, it is a they are they both basic fromthe Marines? No just yeah, your only basic training is Parishin and SanDiego that's rerepeated, I thought Pendelton was was in San, Diego, thepenalties in California, CA, yeah they're, both in California. Well Yeah.I like San Diego, is right on the the SanDiego Airport, tarmac you literally as you're flying in there there's there'sMC RD marine court record de Depo. Oh there you could sit in the airport andlook at the. I was just there, but the training grounds for the Marines areparasole, only no Paris, Olin Sandia Sen. So, what's what's it called in SanDiego, just R D, O e t, depending on what side of the Missippi level an ifyou live on the West or Western side? You go to San Diego. On the easternside, you go to Parasol Parsons, actually, the it's not just the name ofPat that's the name of the area. It's Paris, Pareah N, but that's a I go said.THAT'S THE REAL! It's the yeah, only real yeah. I don't think they have thesand, fleas and the red fire ants and alligators, and on San Ego, and just Imean so you're aware that you know both San Diego and parasol and that's forwhere enlisted marines go to boot camp. If you're an officer, you actually willgo through quanaco right in Virginia the ones I went through the marines atgo through San Diego. We call them Hollywood marines, they get to shootsunglasses yeah exactly and they walk around in flip flops, yeah S, onethousand nine hundred and eighty one right when in a d was on believedischarge. Eighty seven loved it I didn't want to get out, butI just wanted the different duty station and they want to give it to me.So I got out actually enrolled and took the test for a stay police academy, and now I'm active. You know I'm in theAmerican Legion and just I just love talking to people inthe military, especially other marines, and the guys I served with a lot ofthem. We still stay in touch my best friend lives in Italy. I got anotherbody that lives in Wisconsin which, if for some reason, he's a redskins fanthat when I don't get M, but it's a brotherhood I mean I meanguys crack me if I'm wrong, but do you guys still talked to a lot of peopleyou served with you, don't through Facebook, I mean you know whenI got out of the Marines in the Cherry Point, North Carolina. No, you just got a hodge pot of people comefrom ever ran Florida wherever olever see these guys again when he starteddoing facebo started looking up one and he's friends with another and then he'sFrendon. The next thing you know yeah on actually, I think I hope, beforefacebook there is marines tack or military com, which is like a socialmedia, safe, stricter from military, and that's how I hooked up with some ofthe guys that I served with. But now I was a o three eleven infantry, which I'm glad I was because to me. Ife you go in infantry it, just...

...everything is wide open for you,there's so much you get to do so many different things you get to doplaces to go now. That's that that's your battalion is that come I saying itright when you, when you announce, I am a less yeah, but now my batalion I was,I was in ther Bita. Second, marines devil lie. That's the last. We sayingagain what what infantry was it? Third Battalion? Second Marines we're got atto teach him all yeah, it's not the evil eye, which is the I I can. Your Ms,is your job right Rioccupata. It was infantry. It was a rifleman o threeeleven God which technically yeah grunt. Everybody is a rifleman when theygraduate ground founder, but the group that you're in where's your station at that changesthem yeah. That changes, because my first duty station was an evil weaponstation Er up in Jersey and there there we stood guard we orstand in guard at a navy base. That was all we did, which actually there were alot of deer up there, which a good sometimes, but when you, when you meet anothermarine and like how does it go hey? What's thatwhat's the intern? What's the interaction? Look like it's always!What's your on US watch, I mean yeah after you talk for a while, we do is re served. I mean the first scene.First thing want to see each other's like et semper five brother and allthat, and I just what your on mo ask: Where didyou serve yeah? Where did you go to Paris on? Where did you go to? Wherewere you yeah? WHAT PA? What places did you go to youknow? Did you go overseas stuff, like a talk about all the all the differentthings, because I mean that's what one thing a lot of people joined becausethey wanted to travel, and I was fortunate I did. I didn't get to go toas many places as a lot of people, but I was able to go to the Guam TinianJapan, Alaska, briefly, basically, stop in say, hi, but I mean you travel everywhere and tobe able to eat the different cuisines in the different countries. It's just mind blown. I love it. What delicious?At my ease, yeah, I mean no, I'm talked about with you. No, no! No, due W, weBhatta's how I learn. How I learnt was from the Mona swamping stuff out tomake hamburgers with the emerys stuff do what we used to do. We were doingtraining into my hobby and we called a rattlesnake. We actually cooked therattle Steger to fire and mix that up with the design. MREDIAN WAT. I was alot like you, I mean when you know, like I told you I didn't turn twentythree until boot camp, so I went to college dropped out, worked full time,went back to college for another year, dropped out and then was kind ofsitting around New Jersey going. What the Hell am I doing it my life? Am Igoing to just work forever and then retire? Is that my life or do I want tojoin the military and go somewhere? You know. Have them send me places and thenyou start, you know investigating okay. Well, what service do I want to join?You know so my Wi, which is the best, so obviously I was led in the directionof join in the Marine Corps. Of course, as Marines were biased to that, youknow, but I mean you know, I looked at allthe other services and both my father and my grandfather were army veterans.So you know I was like well, you know I maybe I wanted to one up them in my ownmind you know so you know, but my dad was crean war veteran. My grandfatherwas actually a world war, one veteran, oh wow. He served in the same battlesthat a lot of the Marines did in World War. One I've got a thing at home thatlists all the battles that he were in. You know and it's you know- MooseAragon and all that cool stuff, that you know the Marines did in World WarOne and I had no intention to join in the military. I was playing in the bandwhen I quit high school. I I knew I was going to be a rock star. Now my decktold me the band, I can't I came home, I go. I joined a delay entry program,you know- and I said with my parents at the kitchen table and I you know andbasically was like hey. I joined the Marine Corps. My Dad looked at me goeswhat the hell do you do that, for you know yeah so, like I got to get out ofhere, you know I got to go, do something yeah, so I oesterle's got to be something betterthan this minimum wage dirt, crap job that I so we joined the marine corn getpaid even less, but, like I said I was like Hey, I canwork on airplanes, yeah, it's cool, you know esther and its travel, but whenyou move, when you move from assignment to assignment you change battalions,okay, you were in the free series. I no,...

...but I have a completely different story. You get rolling on yours and will comea tell you. I got Y young special, so I want who are you? My name isGeorge, I'm half a sleeper. I want one thousand nine hundred andeighty four and the by back story is. I wanted to prove my prove myself tomyself and everybody else. Basically, because everybody saidyou'll never make it. I was A. I was a WIMP, but was beat, beat up bullied,but my father was a brain and everybody in my all, the men in my family weremarines. My cousins were marines. I had a cousin killed in Vietnam as a marineand because of my parental circumstances, and I as a child. I went in to prove myself be quite honest with you, becauseeverybody's everybody who knew me then said you'll, never make it, because Iwas I wasn't there. I was. I was a WIMP scared to death of my own shadow as I went in I graduatin thousand ninehundred and eighty four from garces curly and within I don't know how long it wasn't verylong. It was. I went in and listed in, rancorand everybody laughed at me said I wouldn't make it that, as you could tell I'm six five right,big guy and- and so I remember, I can still see it- the recruiter coming. It was like fivefive in fucking the morning pouring down rain and him walking in with thatgray overcoat. You remember that M is Graeci me up to take me to go to maps M,so I went the Parasol and it legitimately was hell on earth. I loveit and but there it literally like flipped aswitch off in my mind, and it made me because I think somehow,like the one thing that nobody knows is like these drawin structor, thesethey're like they're psychologists, Oh yeah, they can read you and they knowwhat your weaknesses are and they play on them because they want to unlock you.So what they figured out was, I was timid and they were because I was timid tofight. But you guys remember: Pugle Peoples Tin. Well, I not want everybodyusually goes man on man pooblics. What they wanted to do with me was show methat I wasn't going to die, so I never once fought any one on one. The waysput me on two n one on two to three so and they always and what they did wasthey meet. They flipped a switch on my mind and go from very passive, theoverly aggressive. So I came out of parasol and likewanting blood right that was like classic, like I carstor to this day didm our senior job. We should talk about trust, Senor, drawing structor to drownstar. I could still to this day tell you the chant. We used to do a chantevery night. Before we hit the rack bed yeah, I can tell you staff Sard Martin, that was my seniorrown. Trucker devil dogs, sharp troops, blood, sucking more machines, ready tofight ready to kill, ready to die, but never will three times: Devil Dog,sharp trips, blood, sucking war machines ready to fight- and I get inyour mind right. So what happened was I was my fatherwas a tanker thank the tall. My recruiter said sure, yeah you're, atanker o Cato, tell you anything to get so out. I'm a what an JOE six foot.Five, the maximum height for a tanker, is five foot nine. So I show up the second tank battalionat the La Jun I swear to guy. This is a funny story. I show up the son tankbattalion at campes on North Carolina, which is a huge base and I'm standingthere private. I was a private standing there, so it Sir sir, in the the I go toreporting the sergeant major and he's going. It's a fucking joke God, Damnfucking Joke God. E is a fucking, you boy who? What are you? What the fuck?God e and he gets me an e goes who the hellgave you, these orders boy, you can't you'll, be you'll, kill us all boy. Yougot about a thirty second life expectancy and I freaking take you. Wewould all die because of your ass go. He screaming the gunny, so I they wound up, because I had the testscores. They said you could do one or two things to all the to all the O.three eleven grunts out there. That's Roam Marine Cork, runts, impent ry! You got a choice, you could go to CampGeiger and be a grunt or you could go to cobalt computer school. I went cobalt computer school. I don't want tobe a run. So, by the time I graduated from Cobalt Computer School Cobalt, thelanguage cobalt for computers was gone.

It was already gone so so I had been. I had been a weightmarker weight left or being six O five. They said we got the best place for you,you're, going to Washington DC. They sent me to Georgia to be a body guardand I wanted to be in a body guard for the comment out of the rancor and theassistant comment on a Rin core at head, quarten rancor. You were stationed atAth and I no he wor, Oh okay, okay, eighth and I Ethan is wore the soundyou ever want to see something. You got to see the soul option. DROLL team, notsilent, auction drill, silence sounds no. You Got Business on your vive, I'mno sowing off you! So you got to see it. You got to see it.It's incredible around the EWIG memorial, it's incredible e, but theeighth and eyes here and then headquarter marine cores at theDepartment of Navy about up on the hill from the Pentagon. So when thepentegoet hit with the plane, I remembered exact that river entrance-it's called the reverend, so I used to take, go back and forth and travel withthem and run with them and run documents back and forth. We were atHenderson Hall right on the wall of Arnton National Cemetery, so you alwayshear that boom boom they be doing the parade for the burying people. So I was A. Iwas a body guard for the M for the common at an assistant coming out for acouple of the generals and I work for holy North when all even worth gotkicked out of NSA. I was his body guard and then I got. I want the Okana, whichI loved. Okay, I love. I love the canal and then I went to Korea, but the likeyou're talking about emeries man do team spirit. Do you Rember Team Spirit?Is it's called brave warrior brave something Team Spirit was back so whatit was was they would take the the career, the SACRAS and they would dressthem up like bad guys, and it was just an. It was a fake war to show NorthKorea Team Spirit M yeah. I mean I was thereat the SA, except when I was there in Korea. They were not allowed to call ateam spirit, because North Korea was rattling their sabor just like they dotoday, so they held the same exercise but didn't call a team spirit and theyheld that was in the s one. So it was every year that was, and Korea was, ohGod bless ther stuff. I could tell you about Korea. I can't, but I want the team spirit, went to Korea, Po Hong Korea and then left there and came back to Okinawan got dischargesent to pendelton waiting. This George Honorably discharged from from the raincorps, came back and started applying for the Maryland State Place and becamea state trooper for twenty years, and so I had my four years in my militarytime rank cor time and then twenty years stay police time and m what youyour MS, can change, and your bet. Okay, your battalion can change several times.Oh God yeah! Well, that's how I was trying to get at when you miss thou.Now you can. You can change your Ms. I think what, after four years, yeah it'sharder to do I mean depends on depends on what you know yeah. Sometimes you re,enlist and you'll re enlist and part of the thing will be like well we're goingto train you to go. Do this or his Ma West disappears all of a sudden there'san mawes that goes away now. We need to plug you in over here because that msno long desist, so they will plug you in there now does now. Do you guys havea infinite or lifetime connection to yourgraduating class? No God! No! No! I can't I, but you don't have any loyalty,you don't have any loyalty or connection to a specific battalion or agraduating class and Ma to me. I think my loyalty I like these guys are stillin touch with the people they want through. I don't talk to anybody. Iwant to I record with they still do, but we I personally I can say for mepersonally, like I- have a infinite lifetime oath to to the rink yeah and everything about them re, because Iwant to tell you- and I mean this eltit- all uncertainty. I was a state tripperfor twenty years, but I'm only who I am today because ofthe Marine Corps everything Io is to the Marine Corps. I don't told that anybody went to ParisOlen with because you really don't your the drol structures are so so much inyour head, the there's only one guy, I remember from from boot camp and that'sbecause his last name was the same as mine, and the only reason I rememberhim is because I think if there week there he started crying. He wanted toget out, and you remember the the barracks ten there three levels. Sowhen you first go down there you're on the third floor, so he did all kinds ofstuff to try to get out. He jumped he jumped from the third floor eitherwindow back. I can't remember all he did was broke. His arm so he's in SickBay for a while they wanted to discharge him. No, I'm sorry! You did no, no would then they, then he drankthe bottle of whisk. He was in Sick Bay...

...again now he kept coming back to theplatoon a week, but it was the finally the third time that keep him outing.This was in eighty one. He signed papers stating and he was gay. So that's how he got out yea, but that's the only guy. Iremember now when I was at naval weapon station now, because that's your onceyou get to sent to your main duty station. Those are the guys youremember once I get to Campo zoon. That's I remember all these guys. Itwas. Those are the guys I still talk to tothis day. I think metioned group of people that you associate withwhile a guard to the common at was probably very small, very professional,not a lot of go with you, and I said your time in youcome across Marines to what years you were in really kind of tit yeah whathappens, but I'm a marine. I guess you'd say or whatever- and I stillremember a bunch of guys from boot camp that word. It was almost like thosemovies to me seem kind of realistic because we ha me fill metal jacket atall. He had one knucklehead that would steal an apple from the freaking ChowHall, put it in his foot locker at me, and then whoever had feires a beat onthis die hatch and say some guys out here, eating apple three in the morning,we're all up, running freaking down the street and are freaking underwear orwhatever, because its knuckle had ze Yep, all kinds of stupid, you know didn't make their rat. You remember theknuckle heads the screw, yeah guys that were afraid to get up out of the rackin the middle of the night, an go to bathroom squad Derin of M, and thatperson was in your squad him and all the people that areassociated with him. Get the ship be Daddy, so yeah. I remember so theseguys because of the trauma ther or whatever. But I was an arling and wehad a lot of good times because we're air wringers I mean going to differentplaces, drinking party and whatever so yeah the facebook thing I remember andI'm friends with a bunch of them and it's good to have like you know thetwenty two a day yeah every once in a while I'll see somebody posting knowwhatever you call instant message or messing privately, you know and talk tohim and whatever, and it's because it might be one day year to have it a badday, and you want somebody to you know lean on so well. Maybe maybe somebodytalk about you enlist at such a young age and what an important decision for a youngperson to make not knowing how it's going to change the rest of your life do. Dothey do a do? They do a proper job, like George, said sure, we'll get we'llget you in the. What were you calling at the tanker? You know they just wantyou in you know they just want to recruit. You get you. You know they'll tell you anything toget you in, but the I mean they're essentially changing your life for thefor the better, but I mean it sure is a serious decision there. The for this no here had to get pin their eyes. Ifyou make it the bree, if you don't wow, but it all depends not not every yearthey were hard up to get people in because there were sometimes there wasa long as weeding list. This is what I think I think therecruitment they're just taking warm bodies yeah, but he the more the onesthey can the mark. The real mark is the ones that can get through withbackground and all the stuff the the Mariel mark is is, is boot camp. If you can get throughbootcamp I mean, then, when I was there, you weren't getting out, you were an, they would recycle your ass and you getout now, Oh God. Well they change it. And now, if I think you can raise likea job, you can quit. If you don't, if they don't Ger it, if you're guaranteedan mo west and they don't give it to you, aren't you allowed to quit orsomething a well, so the first six months that you were in any branch inthe military that you can technically get out of the military? By doingcertain things like we had people in Boot camp? Who would basically say Irefused to train- and you know that happened in the very first time thathappened to a recruit. You know they brought the MPs in they handcuffed thisguy up and they left with this guy. You know and so we're all freaking out.Well then, you know down the road like a month later e he gets put in. Likethe you know, the I can't remember what...

...battalion you know was a battoon orwhatever that they used to cycle people out when they're processing yourpaperwork. So you know we all thought this guy was in the brig and then wejust see him walking around. You know just whatever you know like a church orwherever it was. You know, and I'm like you know you like what are you doingand he's like? Oh yeah, they just transfer you over here. After that youknow, and so all of a sudden that was like an eye opener, I'm like Oh, so youcan quit, which you know but you're not said Home Right O. No, no, no and it'sand it's a blemish on your record. You know you will get a general dischargeafter you get out. So it's not an audible discharge, but this thing thatpisses me about that, especially now I I hope I hope I'm wrong, but I don'tthink I am because I've seen guys where they'll go in. They don't even make itall the way through boot camp and their discharge, the General D: It's not adishonorable discharge in it. The Gem and they'll still tell people thatthere marine they're a veteran you're, not a marine until you graduate bootcamp, that's when you're handed the Eagle Globe and anchor that's when youbecome a true re and that's that's one of the things that pisses me off. I hadsomebody tell me that, and I I think they got it on a medical discharge orwhatever it's like to you, do graduate you're, not freaking marine hyeah. Youare OK, that's that's like that's it for us. So when you're able to wearthat, that's it! That's where you becoming that's when you come and I'll,never forget, because a graduation I went up to my drolling Strut and I saidwell, you know. Thank you. Sorry. You say don't call me, Sir you're a marinenow, because you know you don't call a non commission officer certain unlessyou're in Boucan. After that, the only ones you call, sir, are the officersthe some marines in Boot camp. We call we're technically recruits. It isdifferent in the other branches of service when you join the army, you'reimmediately called a private. I mean like day one Deken they're like privateGod. Over here you know well, in the Marine Corps you have to earn that rankso you're, not a private. Until you graduate so you're a recruit the wholetime you go through boot camp, he was talking about people being recycled. Igraduated with a Marine who spent six months in boot camp because he becausehe got hurt, he heard his. He broke his leg and they have. They have a PC p.You know they like a physical conditioning platoon and they have ametate. So you get dropped. A MED platoon you're there for a while tillyou heal. Then you get put in ficient physical conditioning platoon, so youcan get yourself back up to speed and then you get dropped back into a new unit. You know a new, a new pleton, Imean there's units, there's platoons, there's battalions, there's Moss, we go to a squadron, is anger VMT!Twenty three was my squadron and that would be like. I am, I don't guess:YOU'RE A battalion or whatever you know you guys are raining third marines forMontimont three and that's all there is, but for but for a young person, becauseI know when I was younger. You know when you're in your early tiesor late teens and you graduate high school when you've got this life aheadof you and it's like well. What am I going to do with my long? You know andyou're, and you enlist- and I guess a lot of these like you said, recruitsget in and and they realized. Maybe I made a bad decision but you're, butwhat you guys are saying is what once you're in they're, not letting you go,oh, not when it in eighty four up, Bakarr difficult, very difficult to getout, but but isn't there a little bit of you know sympathy there I mean you're,asking a young person to make a serious decision, but you know what I, when you do menfollow me here, a little bit right, a young person I mean when I was in highschool and I didn't know what I wanted to do with the rest of my life. Ididn't I didn't know what I wanted to do until I was in my late is right. Youknow, but but but for a young person to makedid we all make bad decision an we were young, but yeah gave him an out. Somany people do. If you said, okay, look a like o you got. Does I refuse totrain and you go home on the next flight leaving Harison? If you gavethem on out and it was that easy they wouldn't stick through it. You know Imean you conty got to motivate yourself to stay in that self. If there was just,I throw up a white flag, and so I can go home now. I well, but you think. Forthe most part, the older marines would look at that young person and say: Hangin there, it'll be the best decision you ever made in your life. The otherthing is to the big difference from back then and now in high, especiallykids in high school. One thing that's constantly, and we talked about this onthe other podcast before about the trades and all the one thing that'sconstantly being pushed down their throats is college college collegecollege. You don't hear them talking about the militry as much sure they'llso have recruiters come in, but it's...

...not talked about as much and- and youknow some people, which is one of the reasons I wanted to start this podcast,because there are a lot of people that decide they want to join and the eithertauter recruiter, which is a salesperson these. You guys what it is.Rerdell you what you want to hear he's a salesman they're getting some yeah.Now they may been like me, George, Craig and mark before they wererecruiters and go back to being like I was again after the recruiterrecruitment part is done, but the other thing you see is so manyyoung people are talking to people that never served and getting their ideas. Alot of them. Don't talk to people that are in or that have served, and I thinkthat's a yeah yeah or to watch the movies. Youwant to see a Tamaris watchful met. Like George George's, your situation,you've got your grandfather. You've got family members that were marine, so atleast you have a little bit of you know: Encouragement and direction there. Nothere was no encouragement. No is that right. My family is military too. Therewas no incursion, but I mean when surely you went to a family, memor andsaid: Hey, I'm thinking about enlisting. They didn't give you any sort of advice,or my father said I wouldn't make it A. I mean it was a when I was in highschool. It was a my threat, was I'll either be digging ditches or I'll haveto join the army, and my dad was in the army. I mean you know, he's like thoseyou're going to be your two choices. If you don't go to college, it's why I youknow in a sense, I wasn't ready for college. I mean I had a great one yearof college. I was fantastic life experienced, but I certainly was notready for college. You know I was seventeen when I wentoff in September to go to college, so nowhere near ready to go live atcollege for a year. You know, whereas taking a break or doing something else,would have been what I should have done. You know and too many of these youngpeople today they don't under you know they don't have the focus. You knowtalk about trades and things like that. There are a ton of jobs in the militarythat can put you on the pay train to be a tradesman. So I'm combat engineer,I'm a carpenter. They taught me how to do that in the Marine Corps. So youknow you know, that's one of the things that I can do. I've built a whole bunchof different structures. While I was in the marine corners, okay, I'll say thisas a father of a son who went to College University of Maryland now colleges is like, doesn't promiseyou anything in fact, a school I, like a high school degree, is called thePont young young kids that are eighteen, nineteen and that seventeen eighteennineteen, like I always say like the best thing now, is like what you do.Tar Hill does estruction, that's worthy. If you want to make money, that's whereit's not college anymore, because college doesn't guarantee you anything.No literally, my son has still in our Copain for it for twenty years, Yeah Mi,my son is still going through college debt and he came out of college one ofthe best colleges in the country, making it making a very meager livingat ninety eight rock right. So what I'm saying they didn't guarantee youanything so to me the right now. If you don'twant to go to college, the best thing for you to do is go in the military. Idon't think there's any doubt, and not only that, because after you get out inmilitary, was it the Gi bill that they still have or something like that inthe college. While I was wrinkle go yeah you go to college while you're inor even when you get out, they will pe for you my associates degree. I got myassociates degree while I was in a mere thank you now with the yeah, a e and n. You get this degree and putyou into a Warren Officer Program. It you become a commission ofcer. SecondLieutenant Captain Whenever you start out as like an enlisted offstart Danchief on absolutely tait's, not a viable option for highschool kids. They just see boom college. I got to go to college and now there isan alternative and maybe they ought to push it more or at least expose kids toit more well, it's been the problem. Is Today it's all this lovey touchy, feelySong Kind, Look Gentler! You know, don't be offended, that's what like,then you don't get a part to intreate, then, with the stuff like I have a scaron my neck, for whenever are my senior droll instructor like finger hit me inthe throat yeah right and it cut my throat with its finger nails. So it then you know, and that's stillnot real marine core like when my note was there yeah they're, not you by yourneck. I think that I mean I remember...

...when I was growing up the the things that I remember about. Themilitary was the night vision screen at desert.Storm M T t. That was like my first record. My first memory of what war andmilitary was like was an NBC shot of Anti Missile Fire. You know nightvisions, so I mean I think, that I think war is scary. It is scary, it'sscary and a war is no joke. Like that's like no joke, let I finish, but I thinkthat I think that when you ask a young personto join the military- and maybe they don't understand the themilitary as a whole, it's much more than more it's much more than more time.You know, but I think I think there's that stigma or you know filling me onit, yeah. No, I finally now, but he says, there's no place for warm andlove, and you know you know all this. You know so it might. You know it couldbe a tough decision for a young person. Take it from me for a minute, thoughthere's something inside everybody that calls you to do something like this.Okay, so like it called me to the rain corps and it called me into theMaryland State Place for twenty years. So it's like you have you have an oathto serve. It's like programmed in you right I to this day. To this day, everything I owe is to the rinker, even after being a trooper for twentyyears right. So you may, you may see the like. I was in there. I was in theState Police Academy when you watch that footage. I remember we were. I wasin the academy when Desert Storm was happening for the first time, so yeah, here's, so here's a crazy part ofit war is, is scary. It's scared you but you're ready for this marines craveit. We crave it because you go throughtraining and that's all you want to do these drew instructors. Yourbrainwashed, you are brain washed, but the that's there's a Nag. Isn't there anegative stigma with brainwashing and and hungry for killing and or and rightSelbu? Would you want somebody who's not like that to go to war? Now I mean now, but here's, but here'sa difference too, and this I think this is where some people get confusedbecause you say killing and war and all that and it's I want to put it. I want to turn itaround a minute, don't look at it as killing and war you're there to protectyour country right fight for their freedom for everybody, they're mentally.You know training, you know. What's the Chan, you know the dog storm troopsspots on a more machines, lood, sucking more machines. You know, but it is, isthat mentally? Is it healthy for a life after service? I think so because yeahit is, I mean, I'm talking, I'm not just talking about you, knowentrepreneurship or how you attack life. Is it healthy for the for the empathetic sympathetic, lovingcaring person that side of each person after they get out of serf, I would sayfor a majority of them, not necessarily for everybody, but for a majority yeahI mean you know he could, because you know your dad says: You're, not you're,not going to make it. If your dad want a Candian said son looked at you andsaid you can do anything, you put your mind to would be if my father told me that I probablywouldn't have made it. I would probably I made it's interesting aright becauseI made it because my father told me he refused to sign and he told me I wouldnever make it in the marine and you wanted to prove your dad wrong. Thatwas how my Bratherton guys remember. We we could write ersite on your foot,locker right. I can remember sitting on my foot, locker crying my eyes outcrimes out and circling the tears on the on the circle and saying that's atear. That's a tear. I can remember circling it, but I was writing theletters because you got at there's. I got a goes back. To My background I mean Iwas. I was not treated very well as a child, so I was scared to death. The fight,because that's all I did was run from my parents and everybody else. So ifyou remember last thing we talked about pdf stuff. It's the begin with myparents, so the Marine Corps, thank God for theMarine Corps. For me, I didn't go in to be loved. Iwent in to say I'm a damn man not on I member I'm marine, because you don gotyou don't get any more bad or ass than a Marain, and the pride of the Marine Corps is what iswhat carries you through? It builds a foundation. You know it'sbuilt the foundation wall to flip that on you know, so...

...we got a you know: Charity Fund raisingso you're. You know, that's there's a there's, a ton of love in that andcaring this. You know toys for Tats, you know so I maybe I'm just I'm justsparking conversation about you know I be to me to me what, if it taught me Icould to this day. I can remember like my thoughts running through my mindwhen we were running around the temperate field went running and goingover in that they called the Rose Garden. You guys remember and the dustdoing doing was it the Poun climber masties. I can remember what I wasthinking when this was happening. It teaches you you could get, you coulddig. You could find depths in your soul that you never that these guys know howto tap into so what happens? Is You come out of there with like a guidedmission in life were now I did that I could do anything. I could get throughanything. TSNETA cut out, there's a lot of jobs,and you know the military were Tansur Army Navy, whatever they go, got peopleto fly drums and got no emile in different fields. Not Everybody has tobe a grant. Well, I mean in more time whenwe, when we're in war, I mean, and we set up- I mean it's a wholemunicipality. There's people that clean the bathrooms and people that make theroads electricians. You know oo t you got, he get people out of thesituation that we got in so yeah you're still a rifleman, but you know there'splenty of occupations in the military as a whole, a military as horror. Youknow, groundman, you were indoor and does astorm right. No, so that's kind of funny. I actually tried to join inMarch of one thousand nine hundred and ninety one, which was right at as andguess what the Marine Corps was full because everybody tried to join themilitary. They were all patriotic back then, and you know, and if my recruiterwas like- oh well, you know come back and see me never called me and twoyears later I went back to the same recruiters office and I and I probablygot the stupidest recruiter ever, but that's that's a different side story.Just because you know I happen to walk and he was the one sitting in the chairright. You know, I mean one of the things I'llsay is I mean I know tons of well adjusted and very productive, combatveterans, I'm not a combat veteran but being part of the marine core league. Ijust know tons of those guys. You know and I think a lot of the kids today.You know it's an all volunteer service, so less than one percent of Americaserves in the military and then, when you think of how small the Marine Corpsis we're a tiny sliver of that one percent that are marines, and so thereare a number of reasons why people join, but a lot of people want to volunteerto help people, that's why they join and and when you're in combat or you'redeployed. You want to make sure that the marine to your left and the marineto your right. They come home with you. That's who you're worried about youknow you're, not you're, trying to help the community. You know I mean- and Iyou know doing some of the stuff that I've seenyou know working as a as a defense contractor with the government. Youknow I've been in touch with boots on the ground where I've never beenpersonally to Afghanistan or Iraq. I would be on tons of teleconferences andvideo conferences with people that were right there and the things that we weredoing here at Averemo ng ground we're, making a difference to the boots on theground. The tip of the spear guys that were out there doing the mission youknow and they're they're trying to help the civilians, and you know and againall the hard work that that that the military put in in Afghanistan fallsapart. Why? Because the government, just like you, know, Vietnam, the south,you know the South Vietnamese government couldn't maintain what theywere doing way back when they fell apart. They fell apart slower thanAfghanistan, id Afghanistan, the government I mean the president left inlike two days and it just collapsed on us. So you know it was a horrible wayfor us to exit Afghanistan, but you know, I am sure that those marines thathave served over there they did everything in their power to try andmake the country a safer place. And if those you know, if those people inAfghanistan don't want to step forward and kind of help themselves, you know there's historic preferenceprecedence over the last thousand years that it's kind of tough to have an outside force. Government,Afghanistan, you know, I mean everybody's tried to conquer them, andit's not worked. So you know I mean we...

...didn't do you know we were there fortwenty years and then left and it fell apart. We gave them the building blocksto do good things and they didn't do it, but I know those at work with everycountry. No, I mean it's not, and especially when you get into a country,you know where there they're focused more our religionthan anything else and they still live back yeah the holy word. They stilllive back in nose. Well, one of the you so one of the reasons, one of thethings that I tell my wife. I say one of the reasons why I think we've had alittle bit of problem like with Afghanistan, verse like how we didKorea and how we did. Vietnam was back. Then the service men brought homespouses from the countries. That was true and those spouses lived amongst us.They were your neighbors and you're. Like you know what so, you couldn't seeevery Vietnamese person as a horrible person, because you're like well,that's my neighbor. His wife is fantastic. I know her personally well,we weren't allowed to do that in either Iraq or Afghanistan. There's there'svery there's, probably a few of that that type of stuff happening, butyou're not seeing service members come home with a spouse so that we're notgetting to we're not getting to meet them. We're not getting to understandwhat their life was like over there. So it's a different dynamic today than itwas back in the past I mean just even World War, the World War, to thinkabout how many people married German, brides Italian brides, and they werethe enemy for the longest time and all of a sudden. That's your! You know yourbest friend's wife is you know from one of these countries you were fightingand you have to get over that and that's true. You know you H, scholeswhatever in the military or whatever, when you heard on the news about thethirty Marines Tidn't e and I'm curious to see if they feel that they, if theywere in that position, would they be left like those thirteenmarines that were left over there and maybe that's what influences ordecision. I like? No, I'm not join on to look with these. You know they leftthese guys back here and the yeah yeah and that's a different stream,the difference between the government andthe military, because we never leave. So we never leave anybody behind, butthe government don't care about that. Yeah. I think the elect the lack ofintegrity and journalism is really really damaged. All Society and jigotsthere to train you to protect your country, er your country. There is no caring factor. What happens is you, but you got tounderstand to it. You get one thing in boot camp, thenyou come back out and basically you're working a job for three o three and ahalf years right. You've got a job, so you get back to you, the normal searight. The normalcy of life and then roles change, rules ofengagement, change and- and you know I wasn't- you know- I didn't see any- Iwasn't like he said. I wasn't a war time Arnin. I was just a rene, so I hada job for three man three four years right so should should military servicebe mandatory? I think it should be mandatory for anybody that serves asgovernor or even senator or definitely president. I think it should be that'sthe one thing I always irked to me and I don't see how somebody can becommander in chief if they never served you know what's funny is, is you if youwould have caught me about four years ago? With this question I would havesaid yes, but when my son graduated high school,I did not want him doing two things. I didn't want him being going intomilitary because he was going to get killedbecause of Afghanistan. I won't see my child killed and I didn't want to be apolice officer. Thank the Lord because he even got worse since then. I wanted him to do what he did going to to college. My answer is: I think that there shouldbe some sort of compulsory service, not just the military, but the militarywould be a component of it. There's already a group called Americo, youknow so you know. Maybe you have to give a year or eighteen months ofservice to Americo or you join the military. You know for four years, butyou have to you, have to serve America. You have to give back as a citizen ofthis country you need to give back, and so there are. There are options forpeople that I don't want to go to...

...combat or what you know. For instance,I have three kids and my youngest son who's. Eighteen now is not medicallyqualified he's got it arthritis in his back. He wouldn't qualify for militaryservice. You know so for me. That's upsetting because he's somebody thatcould benefit from that, but I can't get him to a recruiter because thehe'll be rejected. You know so you know he graduated high school and I said Iam not sending you off to college. You are going to take a year off and we'regoing to figure your life out, because I know what happened in my own personallife. You know I have another son who's about to graduate in May from collegeand then my oldest son, you know he did the working thing. He did the toughthing he didn't go to school and he kind of floundered around. But now he'syou know almost twenty six and you know his life is on track. engaged. I'vealready got two brand kids and things are, you know, he's got a house, I meanthings are moving in the right direction. So all three of my kids,none of them joined the military and they all took different pass. You know, but I think some sort of compulsoryservice would have been beneficial. You know. So, if I could, I tell my son:Hey, go: do this for two years or go, you know, there's there's groups outthere like team Rubicon who does disaster relief? You know so whenthere's a hurricane come through Louisiana, these guys suit up andthey're the ones that are down there with the chain saws and they're helpingdo all this stuff. You know, maybe you have to join a group like that and giveservice back. But if you need to be you know, if you want to be a citizen ofAmerica, you need to be able to give back to America, and that waypeople would understand like oh well, maybe I should vote now, and maybe thisis. This is how a society works. I have to give back a little bit because Ilive in a free country, see, and I think this is where the schools aremissing out, because to graduate high school, you have to have so manycommunity service hours. So I think what they need to do is implementsomething like you were talking about into those community service hours,even if it's, even if they're volunteering at a local legion or likePerry, point you veterans, hospital or something like that, something wherethey're involved with either active military or veterans- and we have a lotof- I sign a lot of paperwork for toys for tots. For that there you getanother one to West for Tis. I think that's, I think that will get. I thinki'ld give kids a lot more appreciation, not just for the military before thecountry as well, and other people yea lot of kids don't volunteer at all yeah,there's a lot more to the military than just shot you and just shooting guns,yeah and being in war, and i think that that's like i said before the i think that's the american mediasmisrepresenter, not maybe not maybe not misrepresentation, it's just what whatthey focus on. When you hear about the military and atma service e, i don't know how it happened, but wehad to bossism thing going on some reason. I was on aircraft carrier sentus to nivata israel. Apparently here's ikon forces base where the you know theamerican, a and in israel as soon as you turn. Eighteen, your manner, youhave to join oime and we like and different areas here, was eighteen.Seventeen year old is rarol citizens standing guard withthe gun. That's that works over there. But this is the one work here: yeah andtheir fight. That and, like you said early, i mean that's a religious warover there. So it's i e n. I o n recover other countries that are free e,h, t that have mandatory. So i've been israel, israel, too, for for a friend'swedding, and it's amazing, the kids that are walking around strapped with amp for sub machine gun like i was, we were going somewhere and i went past abus stop and there was a young girl in green with a sub machine on trecase.They strapped into the chest and she's at the bus, stop going click takingselfies of herself click and they're standing round all talking, kidstalking. They got some machine gone strapped him. You know what it's funnywow. You want to know. That funny is guess what what was on the news andthat that place was clean. There was no problems, it was beautifulas jerusalem, that's where i was. I guess what was on the news, but theywere talking about the dangers of bottomer city. They were showing balmer city andisrael and israeli news about baltimor city, so we're getting fed about israel they're getting fed about us. I loved that i thought the country wasbeautiful. I got a little freaked out when they were doing all the stuff inthe towers and bia. You know they were doing our chanahbecause,...

...the tratin vietnam yeah. You got somany people that are in such tesreau being a us domata. They want todenounce her citizenship or whatever, with what you see. Some of the you know,organizations and stuff like that and for us to force them that i don't even know if you have todeclare your an oath or your pledge or allegiance to this country anymore, andthen you want to try to force them into the military. I meanthey don't even say the plage pledge of allegiance in school, but you want to make them draft theminto the military. I don't see that ever happening. I do like. I likecraig's idea, did some type of volunteer service or something daughterlike on craigs that she's seventeen now and i think they're sophomore year inhigh school. They got to do some community service stuff, notnecessarily anything outside it doesn't even have to beoutside of the school. Well yeah i mean yeah, i don't know yeah, let's fuck this roundfrom a. How do you feel about kids in school being taught of tradegoing to trade school to be taught? How would to be talkington? What you do? It's got to be harder for you to find people younger people who want to getinto doing what you do. You know, and it is- and you know alarge part of our work force you know is latino. You know and that's just howthat's just how it's been that transition over the last twenty years and i think the maturity of theinternet. You know and all the opportunity that that the internet hashas brought to to young people, but yeah it's hard.It's just. I think that that i think twenty yearsago i think people kind of frowned on latinos coming over here. You know ifthey want to and you can go dat way down a rabbit, hole on earningcitizenship, and you can talk about a legal border crossings and all thatstuff, but when they get here, they're grateful and they work hard as shitwork. It's true, you know they do and it's and it's you know and there'sthere's bad apples and every bunch, but a majority of them that work for us.You know they're grateful they work hard. They just want an opportunity.That's i don't. I won't i'm going to divert you back yeah, that's fine! Godown that rabbit hole, but how hard is it for you to find younger kids who want to do with youand to want to drive a hammer? It's very hard et up on a roof, it's hard itthey all geared toward keeping their hands clean and going to school andlike now. I pay a really good wage for people to work. For us i mean betterthan most right. I can't find anybody wants to work and i pay a lot more than anybody elsedoes and nobody wants to work. No, it's terrible for me to find people who wantto work yeah. I think, there's a there's a stigma out there and insociety that you know working a construction job is you know, kind ofas you filter down? It's kind of you know you hit the bottom and i'll justthe labor go for e h. I e the military. It's like you. I mean i got like whenyou. We people in high school were saying that you wouldn't make it andthis that and the other i got the stigmata like you couldn't go to youcouldn't afford to go to college. You wouldn't have made it in college. Thiswas your last resort and you ended up in the marine word. You didn't want it,you just that's just the only place for you to go, and i think a lot of that. You know a lot of it has to do with the kind ofperson you are and where you were raised, and you know where you're froma divorced family, what you know yeah a half of them are on drugs and they'rewasted their lives and they have no jobs or they got six kids by a bunch ofand they're damn near homeless, and i'm doing pretty well for my gun, i got toask you guys. A question is a question. That is a good question. What is it andi want to- because i'm not going to give it- i'm not going to tell you intowhy i get it until i hear it here. Do you believe that veterans, people who spent fouryears in the military service should be treated better? Definitely given itgiven different things because other people it didn't like the people thatyou see on the side of the road with signs, i'm a veteran, please help me oryou're a veteran, because this veteran should be able to give in that. Do youbelieve that that's that that should happen? So i think you know t veteransshould help themselves. I mean you,...

...should you know that type of thing imean something led them down that path to say, stand on the side of the road,but you know i'm not going to complain. If i go somewhere, you know i'm not theguy that asked for is ten percent discount, but if someone sees my hatand the like, are you in the military and they're going to give me tenpercent at home depot or whatever? I'm not saying, i'm not saying that i sayi'm going to take that w was a veteran, he should be treateddifferently or they were a veteran ate the desk. Do you think that that shouldhave? Should that be a should? Should people who are veterans be treated anydifferently given opportunities differently? Do you tell me from peoplethat haven't served or all general so yeah, and as far as you know, so i'msure to stay police gives you veterans, preference, i'm sure you know thefederal government gives you veterans, preference. You know a lot. A lot of alot of places give you veterans, cretense, tob, wise lespel. We got all these veterans thatare on the street. They're, all veterans are all homeless, they shouldbe veterans should be taken. You know given given this given this opportunityor given that opportunity. Do you feel like that's? Do you understand forillegal yeah yeah, but but then you're an am americancitizen, though american citizens should be given a preference right. Ibelieve i believe so, and here's one of the things i do believe that peoplehomeless veterans it doesn't matter. I think everybody here in the countryshould be taken care of first before let's say we take care of like whenother sane people from that from the country, but not because, like the werethe like veteran, whatever they like to separate the veterans and say veteransshould be taken care of over top of everybody else. Even though they'remarie should, i think better, we should have more benefits. Should people betreated differently solely on the fact that they served in the million nowbecause in all honesty, some veterans, like one of the things that we talked about this before one of thethings that just it doesn't irk me, but it kind of makes me feel uncomfortableis when somebody thanks me for my serf ooye and they feel just because that'sbecause then we, let me tell you why people do that, because pete that's what we're taught right.That's what we're taught when you see when you see somebody you thank themfor their service, because i've heard multiple different things that thatveterans love that then now i'm hearing it that they don't like it somethingyou know. So it's like we do. We thank you for your service and your sacrifice,because because then it gets it gets convoluted.Because if you for thanking me, that's what i would say thank you for thinking,because you have the you: have the cior or the the mos, where you're working adesk job or working on a computer, one one marine and then you've got theother marine. That's that's kicking down doors, you know, so it's like thatthose one service can more than a tete rephrase it. I think it's we talkedabout this before george. I think, because you're a veteran because youserved in the military, i think people that have it almost feel like it's mandatory that they thank you, but they in turn will not think the peoplethat are doing more here, like the police like the first responders, andthere are a lot of people that have served in the military, but the peoplethat police officers are fighting a warevery day every day and that to me they deserve more appreciation than say alot of your event. I d, i did a job. I had a job for twenty four years. That'swhat i did. I had a job twenty four years, four years of marine corps andlessen every time i get a get up to do an auction and i'm in a in a settingwhere there's they're, saying something about law enforcement or police orfirst responders are melted. I always say i'm proud to say, tell you that iwas a marine and, like i just did one the other night for an organizationcalled the fighters for fredom, more sons. There was, he was a guy that was in themilitary there. That was going through an then serious anxiety attack when he got there and he was buggingout of his mind. Well, they called me over here to go talk to him and thankgan god. The right circumstances happened where i was able to help himand he comed to down and then they're taking pictures, and i could show youtaking pictures and here's a guy was in the military, no arm no leg and he'sgot a service dog. I was humbled by that guy yeah. Now i was in the marinecorps, but i'm humbled by him because he sees it. But at the same time, ihave helped other charities where one guy who was in the military who signedup for the military signed a contract didn't get drafted whenever sees gotshot in the stomach, and this guy wants a free house on was thin free housefree car free truck. They gave him a...

...pull. He complained that it wasn't aand so they gave them a cover. First pull. I think i was like i do. I hatedthat so coming from i'm a civilian. Obviously, if i see a veteran i'm goingto go around the room here, do i thank him for a service? Yes or no yeah, but i would yes and let me tellyou why i again, i still think- and it's not absolutely noce's notabsolutely necessary. I just think there's i think i'd like to see theappreciation go further to also the first responders. That's what i wouldreally like to say as a state traper for twenty years, and you two of youknow my role i was under cover for ten years, what it help, what it shows me whensomebody says that to me when they say thank you for your service, and ialways thank them for thanking me, because it means more to me that you'rethat you recognize it and that's what i and what i'll say to police officers isi'll say this is what what i say- and i say when i can. I say thank you foryour service yea. I know it's not easy, being a police officer these days. No, then that's, it goes. Thank you for your erlike. My life wasa kind of like on the line enough for you to give me that kind of recognition,and that's what i was saying a e. I always feel that there are other othermarines out there that deserve. So i mean i take the thank you for yourservice because you don't you don't know me, but you know i always feellike you know, i'm not an amptitude. You know i wasn't combat wounded, soyou know my service was you know i was a comin or i was like. I ate it betterthan most people, every marine in the marine corporate diat of enough emeries.Did you eat as good as the people in the air force? No proper response will be you or you cansay what don't. Thank me for my service. I had a desk job, thank him for hisservice because he was getting shot at every day. Well, you know yeah, i guessthe other way you could turn it around is, and i should i mean the people fanme all the time, and you know i say your welcome, but at the same time i'll turn around,especially if i see a veteran that i know is down on their lock. I guess i'mpapering that things on to them is what you could say it eyath you for serviceafter they started in all this nehenehe saepe that are now saying. Thank youfor your service were same ones going along with all that back then now thatthat they kind of realized. Well, you don't see it no more. You know we c n.I kind of stop doing that for some reason now. They're. Thank you for islike weren't, you the same one. Well, you know what i mean to. Let me saythis because here's what i get all right so when we go out to do auctions and theseboth both o, these guys are from argon. We go. Take a i do, autograph signingwith just about every athlete, every iconic athlete in the country right, i'd like seeing it now and the reasonwhy, because a lot of those were just what is a wagon jumpers, jump it on theband wagon right? They had no idea what that was about the whole thing startedover police can kapernaros offers because the the socks he was wearing.Do you remember the socks he was wearing. It was a pig right, so it gotit got to be a bigger thing and then what i, the only reason said: you'rebringing that up. I'd like hearing it and seeing it now, because now peopleare seeing the importance of it and they're not they're off the wagonthey're off that band wagon of it, but the importance of kneeling. No okay,listen to me. Okay, whole kneeling thing, yeah led me a me too, but killme more when ravens did it in england. That's what killed me because, i'msorry, then we fight for our independence from england everybody's allowed their opinion tothat everybody's. The me i didn't take it as an active thing against lawenforcement. I mean against the dunners. I took it as active against lawenforcement o because nobody knows the real story. An this c will get into thewhole law enforcement thing. But what what i'd like hearing i like itetithei i saw a blue caliente naping, we could say, he's drinking a beer, so i just i i i like hearing it, becauseit just means that it means something...

...to people. Do let me ask one morequestion: a young person comes up to you can be a family member and they sayi'm thinking about joining the marines. What do you tell them absolutely best thing that ever happened to mepersonally, i would tell them you know my story of how it affected. You know iwouldn't be doing the job that i'm doing today. Had i not joined themarine corps, so everything in my life, you know, has gotten better. Since i joined themarine corps, you know and i'm i'm still able to serve. You know by doingthings with the veterans organization with the marine core league, so i'mstill very actively doing marine core things and i'm helping marines and i'mhelping veterans, i'm helping the community doing toysfor toughts. So you know- and i will tell you somebody wants to join. No.You know i was touched on before so they have what's called the post nineeleven gi bill that pays for four years of college at any state institution.Whatever the cost is so around the country, whatever it is in texas, theypay whatever it is here in maryland. They pay and they also give you roomand board stipend. So you do four years in the military you come out. You go tofour years of free college, and now you have a degree you're not in debt andyou've got a skill while you're in the military and a skill, while you were incollege and that would set you up for the rest of your life and if you joinwhen you're eighteen, you know you're in your mid tis, when you're done withfour years, an act of duty and four years of doing stuff in college nowyou're ready for life. You know at twenty five, twenty six years old,twenty seven, you know: that's you know it's time to buy a house, it's time toget married or have kids or whatever you want to do. You know, but i just would absolutelyrecommend it. You know and and again, depending on what that person wants todo, you know: are they a guy and it you know, do they just want to? You know,be a trigger puller, no, three, eleven tip it a spear. We need those guys, butthe marine corps has computer guys aircraft guys do you want to go work onplanes and be a mechanic at b wi when you're done go, work and you know getit get an aircraft job avionics, then guess what then, when you're done, youcan come back and work at pwi or go be a comet engineer and learn construction.Now i've got a construction skill. I can come out. I go to school. I've notonly learn how to build houses, but now maybe i learn how to design houses andall of a sudden. Then you know you hire me to do something. You know, becausenow i've got a skill set both with the marine corps and what i learned inschool so and and the other thing is that post nine eleven gi bill will alsopay for trade schools. So if you want to go to the police academy, they willpay. If you want to go to a b, an h back guy, they will pay. So it's thesame. You know. So, what's it's creating opportunity? It's creatingopportunities and the best thing that the military has done over the last fewyears is the things that you learn in the military, like avionics or if youare an electrician in the in the military, they have made thosecertifications, they're able to now transition into the military. When iwas in it was very difficult to transition your military skills to the civilian sector. Okay, but now lukeyou will get the same type of certificate in the military and then,when you get out you're like look, i already have my certificate. It's goodall over the place and a lot of states will then say: okay, you've got onefrom the military. We're going to. You know, give you credentials here inmaryland, to be able to do the same thing or texas or wherever you're fromso they've done a much better job. At doing that, you talk about. You know again, i'mpartial to the marine corps, but you know if you want to talk about the airforce you know which we'll all joke about is maybe the the easiest servicefor you know or the one that get the most. They get a lot of money. So theyget a lot of good food to get a lot of good barracks. They get a lot of goodstuff. You know, while we're out in the field doing stuff there they're in thehotel, you know yeah, that's not a joke, that's fun! So, but but again, there'sdifferent things that the air force does and one of the things the airforce has is an air force university, so you can actually get a associatesdegree. While you were in your four years in the air force same thing that when i was in they werecalled mc, is he had to do these little red books and stuff? Well again, they have taken those andthey've gotten. A lot of those classes are credited for college credit. So thethings that i have to do in the in the marine corps were in the other branchesof service can translate to college credits, so when you're donee, with themilitary you're able to transfer that...

...over to a to a degree, were to push hey,i already got sixty credits of all this good stuff. I've done in the military,so i would tell anybody to day that wants to join. You know: yeah join themarine corps and i will the one thing that the marine corps has and we allknow you know i don't you know. I just met these two marines today, i knowrich from a few years ago, but if they asked me to do anything for them, iwould immediately help me harp without without question their marines, and iwould help them for whatever i mean i've. You know been driving down theroad and seen marines like broke down on the side of the road and they got ae got a sticker on their car. I will pull over and help that person whetherit's a marine or marines family. You know i want to try and help them. So you know we that's a brotherhood yeah,and i mean we have a saying you know once a marine, always the marine. Iknow the army's trying to bite us, so they say once a soldier always asoldier, but we've been saying once a marine, always a marine for ercountless is yeating, it's ton, tavern yeah, so mark mark, i'm basically craigtis. Now that on the head i mean the opportune, i think it's not for every young person. You know i mean you gotkids that are, i don't know they just maybe get the adhd whatever they haveattention problems or they just can't pout off there, their mama's beeeze,even women i mean, would be nice to have these females.You know pick up, but just like craig said it esn't have to be the marinecore, it maybe suit you better. So be it. Butit's i think it's a hell, a lot better than sit in your mother's basement whenyou're twenty one years old, playing video games and just for basicallyrefusing to get a job but yeah. I definitely lemetre ball real quick. What of thosevideo games is making that kid money out? You're, not you're, not going toget the characteristics you're not going to get the loyalty the integrityyou're not going to be a renaissance man is so those kids who make money onvideo game. Whatever on i'm saying well, now i have an eighteen year old thatwhich is his bead video games. I just call internet money right, so there's asmall percentage of people. You know it's just like people who are not playhigh school football and say i'm going to go on to the nfl. There is a smallpercentage of people that can do that. The rest of them are not doing that.You know so. If you're motivated to learn to do that kind of stuff. Well,then you're an entrepreneur and you have that skill set and you'll besuccessful in anything you want to do. You know i, if you guys had that back in the s, buti did the recruiting assistants, where i put on dress, blues and walk throughthe malls. You know in the summer time trying to more people in whatever thinest do the mediocre job that i hadin high school and i had a bigger calling and i want to travel, and iwant to see the world and i more experience i'm more. I want morematurity. I want to see the world i want to become more than just somebodythat barely left their home town right. I'm going to tell my kids stories aboutyou know whatever. Where i've been, what i've done. You give us amount ofself pride from this. You know you care your. You carry yourself like a marinebecause you feel good inside, because you've changed the world, so i ain'tsaying it's for every high school or whatever, but if theyhave the reef the calling to do it and if they have the abilities and whatever yeah, definitely recommend it. Okay,rich. I got a funny story for now. You've met my son before so when my son was in high school. Isin myself. What are you gonna do when you get out of high school, so i'mthinking about going into the marine corps. So, unlike gray where i was a great yetmy first question was why why do you want to go in to marie court? He saidwell, because you did it that that's not the reason to go in i. So what elseyou thinking about? Well, maybe the army. So why do you arbe? Well, becausethat's what t t is my brother and pop one into so he's talking about all thedifferent branches? So now finally ask him. I said so: what's your? What do you call gpa yourgreat point of average? I think he was carrying a three point: nine yeah, isaid dude. I said if you're seriously, thinking about the marine were, whatabout have you r looked into like...

...either west point or the naval academy?Well now i said you need to look into the naval academy. So that's that's thethat's the way we went for the naval academy and he is to go into the naval. Came yougot to get a senator sign. I think you get two letters e to letters ofrecommendation, so we already had the center. That was no problem. My sister's a flight attendant for forsouth west and she met this guy on the plane, was talking to him telling hertelling him about my son and at my son, hadn't picket his sat. Yet hewasn't worried about it. He had a girlfriend marina tell you, girls are the devil. They get page a lot so yeah. So thisguy told my sister said what tomm to take his sats. I'm allowed to write sixletters per year. I think that's what he said and i will write him a letterand when my sister got home now my sister when he comes to sports, mysister's, not the brightest person in the world, so she was telling me about this. Hesaid she said. Yes, i'm guy that played with the cowboys or something like that.I okay, she is and he's got some kind of trophy from college. I said isbantrophy, she said yeah, that's it. I said: what's the guy's name gas, idon't know robert something or something like that as a roger stall,back yeah, that's it yeah so to a naval can yeah and he was going to write aletter for all my son had new is a t sats, but he never did because now hegot accepted to a college to go in tennessee because he's a musician, but he did do that. As you know, nowyou joined the electricians union and it's going through the apprenticeshipprogram. That's i love it. I mean that's the first question. I somebodycomes up to me and says that that's the first thing i want do. Is it why? Whydo you want to join? Because it's not for everybody and if somebody says to about the video games a because i'mgreat at call of duty, i could do this dude video game. I to see him is whenyou got that rifle in your hand, it's completely different unless you'reflying a drone. Nowadays you can sit here staysed and be flying dronesoverseas, which is pretty freaking. Awesome is put yeah, but you still needto feed on you in a ofai could tell you that the marine corps was my rebirth,so i mean i was born. I hate to use the word a born again, but the marine corps,as is my foundation in my life legitimately the foundation of my life.It's a foundation of everything is who i am. I would do the same thing whereit said why. Why do you want to do it? What's the reason, because a lot ofthem have a curse review and they see things like through the video games,like my son, is one of those guys who is now got a great job, video games working for a company thatmakes video games nose. So so i would say why so they understandit because once you go in, you can't come out- and i think are they doingsix years now or before they still dont forty four, and if you do like avionics,it might be a six year. Tour you, by the way he must be a very intelligentguy, because abol need to have a really good score to be. I i don't want hedidn't all right, so real, quick before westart wrapping this thing up. Crag you want to you want to touch on on ourtoys for tots and let them know you know how the marine core or maybe justgo run through from the beginning and allthe way to how harford county is involved. So the toice for tots programis an official program of the united states marine corps reserve. We havethe backing of the common on of the marine corps. There is a non profit armbecause one of the things they learned back in h s was it was very difficultto donate money to the marine corps. So now we have the marine toys for tat'sfoundation. There were five o one c three, so they accept all of the cashdonations and their rabel and any gifts in kindthey're able to write. You know tax tax letters for anybody so anyway thatpopped up in the s and has been going strong. There are currently eighthundred and sixteen programs around the country. Every single marine corpsreserve program participates in a program in their local area. Now, herein harford county, we don't have a marine corps reserve program, so themarine corps league, which is the veterans organization similar to theamerican legion or vfw, except raw marines and navy coreman we're the onesthat run the program. So probably back,...

...i would say ten years ago, ten eleven years ago,they started the toy they broke off from the six motor or excuse me from fourthcombet engineer italian, which is the reserve unit down in baltimore andharford county got our own program. Now everything that's donated here inharfar county stays in harford county. So that means, if you donate toys inone of our boxes around here it comes to my warehouse and then we distributethose. Last year we helped over six thousand kids and we distributed thirtythree thousand toys, and that was during ovid, so we got very lucky. Lastyear we had the sears building, you know which is currently empty at themall. So we were able to social distance with ovid. It looks like this yearwe're going to have the old masta dealership next to the bell air, bmw,dealership. Okay, all right there on you know right next to the mall. Arethat's going to be where we're going to do our distributions and we not onlyhelp organizations which i think last year we were, i think we helped fifteenorganizations so its car for family. As stuff like that, you give oh yeah yeah.We help yeah church, a lot of churches and different organizations. You haveto be either a church or a nonprofit. I right in order to get toys from us. We've helped in the past, not not lastyear, but we've given assistance to the sheriff's department. You know one yearthey run their own toy program. You know, so there was one year that theywere short on a specific something or another. I i can't it was like fiveyears ago and we had them. So i'm like that. You know. Let's just do it so imean people think about toys for tots, because it's a national program and itgets a lot of national exposure. You know it's down on the baltimore news,all the time the reserve center down there. You know because they havemarines that actually the coordinator down there is an actual active duty,marine he's part of the eye, and i staff he gets down there. You know andthey've got their dress, blues and they're doing all these big fancyevents, whereas here in harford county were, we are still trying to get morebusinesses involved in doing things locally. So whether it's take acollection box or have a party- and you know you have in your annual holidayparty- and you tell everybody yeah we're going to support toys for tops,bring a toy for it or you run a business, and you say: okay, if youbring a toy, we're going to give you a coupon like, for instance, texas,roadhouse helps us out, they give us, you know if you donate a toy, will giveyou a coupon for a free, appetizer, millers ale house. Let us is a bigsponsor here in harford county, i'm sure we're going to be working withthe new mission barbecue, because the mission barbecue down in perry hall,they supported the program toys for tods very well, so we're lookingforward to them, opening up and coming on board as a supporter as well so yeah we're just looking for morebusinesses here in the county to step forward and help us and that's whetherit's collect toys or make a monetary donation. So if you make a monetarydonation or write a check, you just write that check out the toys for tots.Basically, we have a po box here in bellair. It's on our website. You canjust go to toys for top. Stator click down to says, find your local campaign.You click on maryland. You click on harford it'll, bring our local page up.All of our local information is on there. If you want to make an onlinedonation with a credit card, you can do that our address to mail in a check.Basically what would happen as it comes through me? I put a little stamp on it.That says, harford county maryland and then i mail that check to thefoundation and it gets put in the foundations account for our use herelocally. So i will go out to like matter of fact. I buy a lot of toysfrom five below toys are us, of course, when they existed, all es is a big sponsor of our so downin aberdeen right. Red ners is a big sponsor here in harford county. So youknow there are a lot of places that make financial contributions and thenyou know where i'm able to go and buy toys from. So you know if you own a toyshop or place where we can get toys. I have the ability to come and buy toys,because our program runs all the way from infant all the way up to eighteenyears old. So i don't necessarily a lot of programs. So, as a coordinator, imake that determination right round the country. People say they stop atthirteen fourteen fifteen because it's harder to buy for the older kids, but ican't see someone that has an eight year old child and a seventeen year old childand me not getting something for them: seven of the seventeen year old child.So now you can donate year round. You knowwe keep a storage facility, that's good, because i'm sure toys are probably onback order as well. Yes, we're going to...

...be making some purchases very short, so i am always looking for differentstuff to do for fundraising, so we will probably be having a conversation nowthat what what you do for a living, i actually have a marketing director he's, like my fun, raising guy whati've learned to do here. I have two assistant coordinators. Ihave a warehouse manager and assistant warehouse manager and now a marketingdirector and his job. He was a salesman, so he goes out and visits places andrequest donations, but we're always looking for places. That'll do things,so you know. Maybe it's not me. Ideally, i don't want to have to put the timeand effort and i want to be able to support. Like so say, millers say theywant to do something, so they have an event that they're at their building.You know with whatever you know, whatever they have whatever money theyraise and then that comes back to me, i can go there. I can send marines inuniform to be at that event and show the marine core colors, where thebusiness is doing. Ninety percent of the work- and we just have to show upthere so, but i'm also looking for other new opportunities. Whatever isavailable, will i'm open to what do you? Because if you depended, i mean what doyou? What are you spending every year? This is good for so people hear this.What are you spending every year to buy because you're, not it's not all givento you, you got to know, i probably so i think. Last year, i think i bentthirty one sand dollars on toys, so we do have some national vendors with toysfor tots, so i do make a purchase through a national vendor, because ijust can't get enough toys locally at the cost. Savings that i need, butplaces like alleys, give me a discount. Sometimes what you know walmart willgive me a discount. Walmart has a grant. You know so, like i put grantapplications into through their foundation at the three walmart here inharford, county and they're, all different. You know.So if the managers are listening at walmart, you know hit the button to say,approve me because you know they waited last year right. You know, and i thinki got two thousand from one and i might have got a thousand from another andfive hundred from another, but i mean they can give up to three thousand peryear so and they help all in a it's their local. You know, but they're tonsof other groups out there that do exactly the same thing. So oh yeah, everything's tartre. So ifsomebody wants to get in touch, the email here is harford dot, m d at toysfor tots, dotor ron, facebook and twitter phone numbers,four, one: zero, six, four, two, four four, two eight: when does the facilityopen up at the mas da dealership is that is and working on the lease todaywhen i leave here. So that's coming up soon. So if a local business wants to have a toy drive for toys fortots, they can collect the toys and drop them off at that facility, or theycan get in touch. Will deliver your boxes to you, we'llpick the boxes up unless you want to help us out by delivering. I had over ahundred volunteers come through my warehouse and help me last year. Ireally don't turn any volunteers away if you want to come by where you new unwrapped new unwrap toys. So howcan somebody like with me of harfar canny living, because i can't i don'thave a place where i can put a box? But how can i help out? I mean: do you guyshave your even with the podcast? Do you guyshave like ads or rat whether it be radio a ordisplay edge? They have yeah, so they have. I can provide you with the cdsthat all that okay and there's going to be donation centers, all around thecounty yeah we had a hundred and eighty drop lasso, the so just so you wear thebridge is a part of the mta and the mta collects from all of their sites andtakes it to one central location down in baltimore, so they can take a bigphoto opportunity photo and then all those toys go to baltimore to don'tcome to hard. So they don't go to harford county. It's a little bit of it.You well yeah, they don't so so o in the cecil county, the coordinator incecil county. It's always kind of a rub for us yeah. So if anybody wants to get in touchwith craig the coordinator, toys for tots the like, i said, the email is harford dot,m d at toys for todd dodor and the local website is going to be harford,dash, m d, dot, toys for tots doto work,...

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